How long before the SEC & Big 10 stop paying big bucks to lesser teams like Mizzou, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, I wondered?
“To answer your last question: Never,” fired back the Guy Who Days What Others Think. “It’s a dumb idea only put forth by those who are still red-assed about the changing landscape of college sports. Oh and Missouri will never leave the SEC for the B1g 12. That ship has sailed.
“What’s truly hilarious is watching the same batch of morons at KU who bad mouthed Missouri for leaving, in full panic mode trying to find a new conference to land in. Missouri made the right move in 2011/12, and it’s still the right move. The Big 12 was a dead man walking from the day it was formed in complete and total dysfunction.
“The Texas & OU programs that MU, aTm, NU, and CU left behind have been humbled over the last decade. Gone are the days where they dictate what goes on in a conference. They will sit down, shut up, and row in the same direction as all the other teams in the SEC. Texas A&M threw a hissy fit when UT/OU applied for membership, but when it came to nut cutting time, they were told to sit down, shut up, and vote yes. And that’s EXACTLY what they did.
“And trust me, I’d rather travel to Nashville, Athens, Oxford, Knoxville, etc. than Ames, Lawrence, Omaha, Mancrappin’ KS, Lubbock, or Waco. It’s not even a contest.”
Hold it right there, dude…
Most football fans never travel to away games, with rare excecption. And driving for a couple hours, rather than days is far preferable to me. If I’m looking for vacation options, it rarely involves a sporting event, although I have gone to a few Orange Bowls while visiting my parents in Florida.
Back to the dude…
“And let me remind you once again that any struggles Mizzou has had on the field or on the court have been of their own making, and would’ve happened regardless of what conference they were in. The Kim Anderson hire was a joke, Cuonzo Martin had one good recruiting class and then quit recruiting completely. He also refused to coach any sort of functioning offense. Odom was a meathead that couldn’t coach OR recruit. We’ll see where Gates and Drinkwitz take them. I do know one thing, Missouri doesn’t have to worry about what conference they’ll be playing in and how much of a budget cut they’ll have to make because the TV revenue is drying up. And that’s EXACTLY where KU, KSU, ISU, etc are all at.”
Fair enough…up to a point, Sir Guy…
Then again, for someone waxing this smug, you seem more than a tad sensitive / defensive in terms of rationalizing MU’s lackluster play since leaving the Big 12.
Kind like someone who left their spouse for a wealthy partner and is been trapped in a miserable marriage, but rolling in cash.
Then again, I think in a million years I went to like two towns to watch KU play outside Lawrence – Nebraska and Columbia. And by the by, Columbia isn’t exactly what I would call a scenic, resort-like city – nowhere near as nice (or close) than Lawrence even.
And while I’ve by far spent more time in SEC or Big 10 towns,it was never to go to a college football or basketball game that I could have watched on television.
The bottom line is all of the teams that bailed on the Big 12 have had lackluster performances in their new leagues, and chances are they’d have done better as bigger fish had they remained in their smaller ponds.
Missouri, Nebraska and Colorado are poster kids for good, old days past.
Say what you will. getting one’s clock cleaned by UMKC twice is pretty embarrassing. Oh, that’s right…it was the coaches fault.
And who really cares if Kansas later sweated bullets over the Big 10?
The bottom line is the Big 12 probably made a mistake soaking up all those Southwest Conference schools and the whole situation is kind of a pathetic reflection of college sports chasing the almighty dollar rather than celebrating the traditions that made them what they are.
So what else is new?
Hearne…you’re wrong again. MU move to SEC was brilliant and you can’t just see it in the sports arena. The scholarship money/research dollars/capital improvements/and who are you to talk about cities when you live in the worst city in the world where there will be no more water…noone speaks english…the city stinks to high heaven and it’s going to be burning up just the rest of the western states.
Don’t go into this area again. While lawrence/ames/and manhattan die on the vine look to the SEC areas where things are booming! You lost Texas and Oklahoma..the rest is trash that’s left. If you want to talk about boom towns and areas…head to the SEC area because that’s where americans are moving! Hope things are well but you never change…still the old stodgy know nothing guy you always were. Maybe you and Rod can talk on the phone!!!!!!!!! See ya later….Harley is HOTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Easy there, Harley…
I forget, you’re a Mizzou dude?
Look, nobody aside from homers such as yourself is sitting around patting themselves on the back for making more money than the Big 12 or Pac 10. Who thinks about that stuff when you’re going to a school and getting you-know-what raped on tuition and other expense?
Yeah, like, I’m going to be behind the 8 ball for the next 10 or more years paying out-og-state tuition to some middle-of-nowhere college in bum-eff Missouri, the football teams in chopped liver and our once vaunted basketball team keeps getting shellacked by UMKC, BUT, thank god the same robber barons that are driving me into the poor house are getting more money they can share with each other…that’s really “brilliant.”
Meanwhile back at the ranch, a fabled sports rivalry dating back to the Civil War is a distant memory and whatever excess money the school is getting doesn’t even contribute to meme and other fans getting even an iota of benefit.
Unless you count mouthing off in random blog comments section about how great it is.
Awesome retort!
“celebrating the traditions”? Are you serious. That was 10 years ago. Wake up. The world has changed Now with a billion dollar tv contract the SEC is on the roll…while KU K State and Iowa State still wonder how time passed them by! Even a national championship means nothing west of topeka or east of Prairie Village!
Uh, national championships are meaningless now?
I suspect you’re spending waaaaaaay too much time tied up in Phoenix’s gawdawful styraffic snafus.
Nobody has to worry about what was lost 10 years ago, dawg.
Nebraska, Mizzou and Colorado have their hands more than full, going thru Kleenex boxes to try and soak up the nonstop tears. While the powers-that-be at the schools play like they’re rich, counting those SEC and Big 10 bucks, the aforementioned teams are looking forward to building a new chapter with teams like BYU, Cincy, Houston and Central Florida – where losers who try and build their vacation plans around college football games can celebrate in small towns in Arkansas, Tennessee and New Jersey, while Big 12 fans can make a B-line for Orlando.
C’mon man (as Joe Biden likes to say).
All well and good, but unlike your days as a real reporter you forgot one big part of your discussion, the athlete, if recruiting dries up and it will because of family planning issues, are the athletes going to a school where one night of debauchery ends up ending a career and a lifetime of support, or will they choose a school where individual rights are respected not controlled by the government. Hmmmm!
Athletes may think twice where they go to school now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2022/05/30/roe-v-wade-athletes-colllege-decision/9796238002/?gnt-cfr=1
You got me there, KK…
Heck, if I forgot this, gosh knows what else I’ve forgotten.
Then again…
Maybe I’m n to very smart, but not sure I get where you’re coming from. Let alone that I can see what you are describing actually happening.
But…
Here’s the Guy Who Says newer remark // HC putdown comment:
When will Hearne EVER get a clue on realignment. Hint: Probably never.
\Mizzou, Nebraska, aTm and CU all left the Big 12 because it was a poorly run shitshow, with unequal revenue sharing, and two teams bullying all the rest. Texas & OU forced so much bullshit on the other schools that they pretty much created a permanent underclass. Personally, I was ecstatic when Texas and OU joined the SEC.
Why? Because they’ve been neutered. They will hold NO more sway over other teams in the SEC. Texas, if you want to talk about being embarrassing, is the definition of the word. No school in the United States has an endless supply of money like Texas does, yet they suck mediocre ass in football and basketball. They SHOULD be winning at an Alabama level. But they don’t. I’d be interested in seeing the amount of money they spend on football, compared to how many wins it’s gotten them. Trust me, it’s not pretty.
And how many times do I have to explain to you that Mizzou’s struggles on the field and court have NOTHING to do with playing in the SEC, and EVERYTHING to do with the 2015 protest nonsense, and God awful coaching hires.
Trust me Hearne, you hire Barry Odom and Kim Anderson to run your two revenue producing sports, and the results would be the EXACT same in the Big 12. Only a dumb motherfucker insists otherwise. Oh and NU never had an excellent basketball program. Ever. And they had started to suck in football prior to leaving the Big 12. Their slide had already started. What you need to understand is that correlation does not equal causation.
The Big 12 is now just a cobbled together pile of ag schools, city universities, privates, and commuters. There are only two state flagship schools left, so the academic reputation of the conference is crap as well. Iowa State recently pulled out of the AAU, to try and save a little face because they were about to be kicked out, like NU was.
Mizzou made the perfect move to the SEC, and now KU, KSU, and all the rest of the shitbag programs that are living on the Island of Misfit Toys, can only hope and wish that they land in the SEC or the B1G.
Okay Guy Who Says, my retort?
Here goes…
Clearly being a follower of KU, you don’t have to explain what lousy coaching hires can do to an athletic program. On the other hand, when you have 10-plus years of failures in both football AND basketball. Coupled with similar failures at ALL the other schools who bailed, there seems to be a little more to the story than you are comfortable getting your head around.
Even KU football looks like they are getting on the right path again.
And while I tend to agree with you on OU and Texas bullying, looks to me like teams like Mizzou and other are agreed to forever accept their roles as secondary football programs.
Don’t forget, just a couple years before the Tigers bailed they played KU at Arrowhead as the No. 1 and No. 2 ranked teams in the country.
Being bigger fish in smaller ponds gave those schools chances to rise to the top every so often. And you left out the part about those schools leaving behind much of their recruiting strongholds.
So let me get this straight; Mizzou didn’t want to be a member of OU and Texas “permanent underclass,” so they grabbed a few more bucks and now they’re buried in an even deeper, more permanent underclass behind even more powerhouse teams.
And Missouri is now hanging with a cooler crowd, you say?
Seriously, MU is right there among the other ag school and lame colleges except instead of being closer to the top of that packing order, now they’re the crappiest of the bunch and some of those vacation-destination schools you mentioned before have to denigrate their fans by dragging to Columbia, Missouri however many times every year or two.
Who knows where everybody will end up, but the NEW Big 12 is looking far more interesting and instead of dragging to Columbia or Bum-eff, Oklahoma, people can go to Orlando or Houston or even Utah…plus whoever else they sign up.
Good luck with UMKC and have they thought about switching to Rockhurst?
Don”t kid yourself. The fact MU and KU were ranked #1 and #2 was an indictment on the merits of the ranking system than anything else.
Anyone who followed college football even a little bit knew there were a dozen teams better than those two turds.
C’mon, Monarch, no way what you’re saying here is true, let alone accurate. Sportswriters nation wide vote on these polls and the odds of them opting to pick two teams from the Flyover and leave the far and away better teams neglected is silly.
I doubt you actually believe that, but maybe you’re a bit older and are having a hard time remembering back that far.
So you get a pass…. free of charge!
Still clueless on how college football works, I see. I know you long for the days of yore when the Big 8 was still a thing, but those days are long gone. So you can either cry about it, suck on your bag of Werther’s butterscotch candies, or you can deal with it and move forward with how the world is and where it’s going. With that in mind, I’ll address your nonsense point by point:
KU getting on the right track again? Pfffft. Let me know when it shows up on the field, and they can scrape out more than 2 conference victories per year. Until then, it’s just more wishful thinking from KU fans and local sportswriters. Just because KU got an oddball win against an perennially underachieving Texas squad, means nothing. Hell, David fucking Beaty even managed to do that, and we all know how that ended.
“Mizzou and other are agreed to forever accept their roles as secondary football programs.” Uh, no. That’s how they were treated in the old B12. Even at their peak during let’s say 2007 in the B12, they were still handed an unequal share of revenue. And as you’ve lamented, money drives everything. That being the case, you should know that college football is all about recruiting. And in case you haven’t noticed, teenagers love all the new shiny things. It’s hard to build all the shiny new things that put you over in the recruiting world. The new end zone training facility/lockerroom doesn’t get built without SEC money. The new upper deck doesn’t get built without SEC money. The full sized indoor football practice facility doesn’t get built without SEC money. The new softball stadium, the new baseball stadium, etc..ALL are non existent or are much more humble. True, Mizzou did get some big donations that helped…but those donations are largely driven by the fact that the BMD’s (big money donors) know that they’ve got to step it up. Yes, it’s all relative to your SEC brethern…but you’re also recruiting against B12 schools as well. And universities are struggling to make ends meet…so when the tv money starts to shrink down to nothing, and budget cuts have to be made or you have to beg your BMDs for MORE money because you play in a conference no one cares about outside of you..it’s not going to work. Recruits start laughing at your facilities….recruiting takes a big hit. And you’re permanently screwed.
Leaving behind recruiting strongholds? I assume you’re talking about Texas. Gary Pinkel made that decision (a bad one, that I lamented at the time), to focus more on Florida. So instead of having 5 coaches recruiting Texas, he knocked it down to 1 or 2. You make it sound like Mizzou just couldn’t get any kids out of Texas any longer after moving to the SEC, and that’s just flat incorrect. Pinkel realized it was a mistake, but until right before he decided to retire. Drinkwitz, (and to some extent Odom) have had to start all over, build relationships all over again. Mizzou has 13 kids from Texas on the roster, and that number will only go up. Drinkwitz is recruiting at a level higher than even Gary Pinkel did. Drinkwitz has had two full recruiting classes and both have been in the Top 25 nationally. The latest being the highest at around #15 (or higher, depending on which service is reporting it) And now with Texas and OU joining, expect Mizzou to hit Texas even harder.
Grabbing a few more bucks? That’s a gentle euphemism for tens of millions more dollars. Once the new SEC tv contract kicks in, projections are showing the SEC doling about $100 million per year to member schools. I don’t care WHO the Big 12 gets to join their misfit band, their tv contracts will get nowhere close to that. They’ll be lucky to get $30 to $50 million. And then it circles back to facilities and recruiting.
The ‘NEW’ B12 looking more interesting? More interesting than what? The Mountain West? The AAC? A chess tournament in Indonesia? Certainly not the SEC or B1G…or even the ACC for that matter. And the travel destinations in the B12 are still dogshit. No matter what kind of silk hat you try to put on that pig, the fact remains. Orlando is a decent destination….if you like DisneyWorld. Outside of that? Pfffft. Cinci? Provo? (the mountains are nice, but tailgating with Mormons? Hard pass) Houston? We’re talking tailgating and football atmosphere. Heck, Ole Miss has a great gameday experience (say what you want about the state in general and I may agree) and that’s what you go for. The Grove is fantastic. Athens GA is great, so is Tuscaloosa. Heck, even Vanderbilt with a bad gameday experience, can still fall back on Nashville and all the great things there.
“Good luck with UMKC, and have they thought about switching to Rockhurst?” That’s all you’ve got? Again, you’re being obtuse about what caused Mizzou’s struggles in basketball. It was hiring Kim Anderson, not being in the SEC. Hell, you could easily make the case that Mizzou basketball would’ve been worse in the Big 12, as top to bottom the Big 12 has been a stronger basketball conference than the SEC has. Although, the SEC does finally seem to be taking basketball a bit more seriously.
In closing, your arguments are weak. You’re under the incorrect impression that Mizzou’s admin thought that moving to the SEC would immediately make them a better football/basketball program. The college football world began to shift right under our feet back in 2011, when B1G Commissioner Jim Delaney announced that the B1G planned to expand. Missouri was unhappy with how the Big 12 was being run, but couldn’t get any other of the nutless monkeys to vote with them. (ISU, KSU, KU, OSU, Tech, Baylor, etc) Nebraska had been unhappy for a long time as well. (Mostly because all of their recruiting advantages got taken away, specifically Prop 48 kids. Osborne lived off those) Missouri’s administration had the foresight to see that conference networks were going to be the future (they were correct) and that the Big 12 didn’t have the population or the “conference spirit” (for lack of a better term) to get together and create one. Texas went off on it’s own and got the Longhorn Network. (A success for Texas, but a disaster for Disney/ESPN). There were a plethora of other reasons for Missouri leaving, but there’s no need to go into them here. At the end of the day, KU is still scrambling to find a way out of the Big 12. KSU and ISU are just hoping they have a conference to play in that someone (read: tv networks) give a damn about.
Geezus Guy,
Calm down, my man.
I think you’ve been watching too much MSNBC or something.
I kinda hate to say you’re waaaaay overthinking things, but the way things are today in college football, who isn’t?
Lemme try and help you – free-of-charge.
I’m living in Tucson now, so about the last thing on my mind ia reminiscing about the Big 8, when I was but a lad.Seems to me, it’s more on your mind.
The LAST thing I’m doing is running around fantasizing about how glamorous or unglamorous college football towns may be. Never mattered to me before and it still doesn’t.
Nor am I (as are you) rationalizing ad nauseam why and where KU, MU, Nebraska or Colorado went wrong.
Fact is, they did.
The former Big 8 / Big Commissioner was interviewed recently and he was quick to point out that MU, Nebraska and Colorado have never recuperated from there bailing on the Big 12.
Hey, it’s pretty obvious that they were not happy with Texas and perhaps Oklahoma, but at the time, the money differential was far less obvious than it appears to be today.
Fact is, Nebraska, Colorado and your pals at Mizzou have gone from being relevant to forgettable.
At this stage of the game, the Big 12 has added some very interesting new schools and while you may not want to plan your vacation around them, there will be some very interesting matchups. And who knows?
If teams like UMKC can OWN big money schools like Missouri, anything is possible in the wide world of sports.
And if you didn’t actually go to MU, why would anybody rally care who they win or lose to in some distant land, devoid of historical rivalries.
Who’re their rivals now, Kentucky?
I liked in Kentucky and was awarded an Honorable Kentucky Colonel distinction by the governor several years back. No way Mizzou can compete with them in basketball, and not even football of late.
So take heart in your imaginary counting of the SEC money that goes to MU. It doesn’t change a thing in terms of anybody finding Columbia a fun, glam place to visit. With the possible except, I suppose, or you.
IF birth control is made illegal like the grand pooh bah’s in the supreme court have indicated, states without birth control will have difficulty recruiting female and then male athletes. Who wants to go to school where a casual fuck could end a career, or lead to a lifetime of support. You were once a 20 something, and the school you want to attend says no fucking, no birth control for men or women, would you go there?
But like most jock sniffer’s something like this is not on your radar, until it smacks you in the dick.
Yeah, not going to happen. Pretty lame attempt at gaslighting.