NOT HARLEY
Bear with me…
A long time ago – like nine years – during the early years of KC Confidential there came an irritating, irascible comments section dude named Jojo. Talk about rude and offensive, this dude made just about everybody’s skin crawl. He was a train wreck readers couldn’t turn away from.
Nobody was safe.
Then suddenly, he went away.
However many weeks or months later another equally gifted, odorous comments section dude named Harley rose from Jojo’s ashes and carried poor taste to new heights – or depths – depending on your perspective.
New KCC readers marveled at Harley’s caustic mix of obnoxious wit and flashes of fleeting, borderline genius. With rare exception, poor taste was the dude’s middle name. He was so bad he was good – a train wreck – a funny guy at times.
However for many readers – and a number of past and present KCC writers – Harley’s contributions to the site was a mixed blessing.
I’ve generally taken a bemused, tolerant attitude toward Harley.
Because at times he can bring more to the table than his trademark relentless, repetitive rants.
Other times, less so.
Years ago I put the H Man’s comments on a short leash with the intention of keeping things halfway civil. I began filtering and at times, editing him.
Trouble is, I would get busy and from time to time miss editing out some of the lower brow forms of communication Harley specializes in…to some reader’s and writer’s chagrin.
Now it seems there are those who would sooner not contribute to this site if Harley – even in edited form – is allowed to continue.
They want him outed – insist that the is – and kept on an even shorter leash, as in banished to comments section hell.
Which brings me to asking you readers to weigh in on the topic?
Judges, jurors, hangmen – come one and all – let’s hear what you have to say – both about Harley and his severest detractors.
No need to get teary, just cock back, take a deep breath and rock with it
I never read it. However, given the extreme nastiness of some of his posts and the libelous nature of others, I would suggest that you demand he use his actual name and contact info, as a condition of being published, so that those libeled can turn the information over to their attorneys. If he’s not willing to do that then you could block him with a clear conscience.
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No real name no publish….cowards don’t use their name…I know you all have stated some might loose their jobs if they used their names..I say if they are that far down the ladder at work or say stupid crap then they should pay for their actions and words..cowards…no big fat moronic cowards post without their REAL name…………………………….
Incredibly well spoken….
Thank you.
Jojo, Harley, whatever name he goes by, dude is unreadable. Never mind that he’s frequently offensive and just as often stupid, it’s just that’s he’s flat-out impossible to read. I could take the bragging, the incessant trolling, the impossible to verify claims of greatness and acts there’s no way he’s ever actually done or witnessed, but the sheer volume and excess of his comments makes his stuff just something I scroll right on by.
I would, though, encourage that he be required to post under his real name. My guess is that he would just stop posting altogether because his act would then be easy to debunk. But if he could be proven to actually own half the things he claims? He’d be a God amongst mrtals.
*mortals
WOW THATS THE GUY. After all these years. WOW. Not surprised. Hearne I thought in the end I would know who he was, but I don’t know this person nor remember meeting him. Nice detective work.
Earth to Craig: I have no idea who Harley is.
You should make a note of that. I thought you included that picture because it was Harley. Who is that guy?
Personally I think you should ban both Paul Wilson and Harley from the site. Paul’s incessant whining that he is going to sue people makes him sound like a old fart bully. People are allowed to disagree.
If it was my sandbox Harley would be IP banned but it isn’t and that’s up to you.
I used to contribute a lot more to this site under various names but it is just less fun with your comments section crowd. Sorry man it’s the truth.
I understand. Hearne is at fault here as well. He’s my friend, but had I run the site and seen a constant hater like JOJO/HARLEY attacking the writers and saying really mean and nasty things about their family or marriage…on and on…I’d have let him know right then to cool it. Not just edit, then bar him if he didn’t stop being a nut. I get needing funny content and other readers laughing at the persons he is attackings anger, but its wrong. Sure we can disagree but going this low and name calling every day is not cool and has driven readers away I know that.
When you constantly call people names and stupid and on and on…it gets old. Now since he was a fake person, he could say anything cause he didn’t exist now he does. If thats him on the photo.
Uh, Craig…
That’s not Harley. And even if it was, what would that tell you right now?
Just a question for Paul or any other lawyer in here. Could this guy in the photo sue Hearne for defaming his character based on the very strong suggestion that he is the nasty troll that is being discussed in the article? It seems to me that any reasonable person would assume that the prominently placed picture of a person in a story about one specific person is in fact that person. Hearne would disagree. But a reasonable person would ask, who is the guy in the picture if Not Harley? Who is this guy? Why is his picture in here? If Hearne can do this, what’s preventing him from doing a story about a rapist and posting some random dude’s picture in the story and then saying “Earth to CG, that’s not the rapist”?
Fair question, Frank. Depends on if the picture came from the public domain with no rights attached to it.
I would NOT have posted it, regardless, but I totally understand what Hearne was going for – this guys shirt demonstrates one personality defect of the H man. But on this one, I’d agree with you or disclaimed the picture as, “this guy reminds me of Harley” or some way to differentiate it from the story.
Paul, you say it depends if it comes from the public domain. This wasn’t just a picture taken from the public domain to be posted for no reason. I understand that Hearne might have had an innocent intent, but who knows with Hearne, right? A reasonable person would see that picture, read the story, and think, this is that person. “Reckless disregard” maybe?
Yes, Frank, I agree. I said I would not have it…but that’s me.
“Some other” lawyer besides Paul?
C’mon, Frank…
Paul’s in sales in the moving biz. Or as your hero Harley (not the friendly dude in the pic) likes to say, a “box salesman.”
Old Men, fair enough point, but allow me to clarify a point or two. I’ve made threats against one person here and one person only, Harley. I’ll come back to that in a moment.
The nature of this game is opinion. Many times people disagree with that opinion. I relish in that disagreement when it’s done on an educated basis. There are people on here who have strongly disagreed with me. Libertarian comes to mind, over the years. Through civil discourse, we’ve actually come to like each other! Chuck has disagreed with me. Chuck also has my cell phone and has called me multiple times. Stomper usually disagrees with me; I’ve had lunch with Stomper, he’s met me for happy hour at Trio!
Here’s the difference. I write under my real name. My occupation puts me in contact with a lot of big names. About half my friends are lawyers and judges. I deal with CEOs all over town. I had coffee with the mayor a couple weeks ago. Yesterday afternoon I was at the club in Lawrence having cigars with my friend Lew Perkins, former AD at KU, two prominent lawyers and the Dean of KU Law. All this to say, a good deal of these friends, clients and people I don’t yet know read KCC.
I got emails and phone calls from “Stan Greenberg” telling me he was going to sue me in federal court on behalf of Harley. The emails came from law4life1000@yahoo.com. This is before that email became Harley’s go to address. A lawyer friend of mine hired an investigator who discovered it was Harley impersonating a non existent attorney. That’s illegal.
I have been charged by him, in comments, as a wife beater and dead beat dad. I’ve never laid a hand on a female and 6 months after my divorce I gained custody of all my kids and raised them as a single dad!
He has threatened me with Federal lawsuits more times than I can count. I’ve lost track of the personal attacks on me and my wife, written by him on KCC and TKC. My wife sings jazz in this city and leads worship at the largest Methodist church in the nation.
The point is, he has demeaned me, by name, with incredibly inaccurate and slanderous charges in a venue read by my clients, potentially future clients and friends. Do you understand the damage done when you have to clarify this level of hate and lies with say, a Bill Self? President of Honeywell? Chancellor of KU?
I enjoy constructive dialog. I enjoy the disagreement. But let’s say I respond to your comment by saying, “Old man at HyVee is really Bill Smith, he owns the Chevy dealership in KC, is a domestic abuser, dead beat dad and sells flood damaged cars and lies about it!! He’s an ass but I’d sure eff his wife!” Get my point.
It’s damaging to my image with clients, I get tired of addressing it, it’s highly illegal and it’s hurtful.
So for clarification, that kind of behavior from me happens one place, with Harley. And you know what? I owe you all an apology for even that. I should totally ignore it. But step into my shoes for a minute. If I attacked you, by name, named your vocation and wrote vile things about you for 4-5 years, attacked your wife, threatened to sue you, had my “lawyer” call (from a fax phone line, no less) and email you, would you finally get your fill?
Still, I apologize, you have a good point, but enoughs enough. No one needs that much slander from a no name coward.
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Well said Paul.
By the way, I had lunch with a couple of really cool Mexican Sheet Rockers on Thursday. They shared a couple of those wrapped up Tamales with me. I gave them a couple of cans of Bud. Good trade, good people.
I didn’t ask them, but I am sure they think Harley is a jerk.
🙂
And didn’t invite me? You have my digits…
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Just playing devil’s advocate here Paul. But it sounds to me like if you are really having to defend yourself to the likes of Bill Self, President of Honeywell, etc, over comments made by people on a website like this, which isn’t a profession-related website and forum, that maybe having a fake name to post in these kinds of sites is a good idea. This isn’t a website for the state bar association or any other professional field. Chances are that Harley, or myself, or any other person on here are not gonna have access to the professional websites that you could communicate with others on. Not only that, but profession-related websites probably have a lot more control and do require real names and proof. You’re the lawyer. It’s 2016. You should probably know this. I think you are giving a great illustration for using fake names on non-profession related websites that you are gonna comment on, especially if you are gonna try to fire people up with those comments.
First, I’m not a lawyer, I’m just friends with a lot of them.
But to your point, maybe I wasn’t clear. No, I don’t have to defend this daily, but I’ve had to do it more times than I should have! KCC has a broad readership. Some of those are my clients.
If I post on here that Frank Wilson is a wife beater, dead beat dad, has AIDS, etc, and you, Frank, have to see a client the next day who read those words, it’s not fun. Now, some of them I’ve known to years. Those people know me personally and socially. Their response is usually “why haven’t you kicked his ass” or “why does Hearne allow him to say those things?”
The issue is with people who MAY NOT know me that well, are new clients or potential clients.
Writing editorials or opinions should require you to have to assume a fake name just to be protected from pathological sociopaths like Harley. In most venues, news papers, magazines, those comments would never see the light of day! There’s a difference in “free speech” and Tony’s Kansas City.
I write for several small town newspapers and deal with some touchy subjects. The city of Carthage credits me with getting a corrupt fire chief fired when the mayor was covering for him. There were incredibly strong feelings on both sides and I got about 100 emails, many opposing me.
While pointed, direct and sometimes pretty mad, no one threatened me or said that would tie me to a chair and anally rape my wife!
I’m 100% ok with wild disagreement…and should never have to hide behind a fake name as a writer. Further, I’m fine if your name is Frank, Bob or Betty! That’s your right. But IF you want to use that name only to protect you from slandering me, your rights END there. You can call me 60 years old, you can call my old car hobby excessive, you can say I’m an idiot for going to the beach or having 4 step kids at my age. That’s all fair. That’s all your observation. But when it turns to harmful falsehood, libel, slander, I should not have to hide MY identity to shield me from that risk. These are highly illegal things he’s done; that’s what needs to be corrected, not me changing my name to Bill Smith!
As usual, thanks for your comment and valid question.
I agree, you shouldn’t. Do you own a gun to protect your family? Regardless, you shouldn’t have to. I could go on and on. Again, you shouldn’t have to, but if it’s causing the agony that you portray and it’s not an exaggerated portrayal, a fake name would solve the problem completely. Fake names aren’t just for trolls, as you are clearly illustrating. But if being the real you outweighs your troubles on this particular site, great!!
I do remember the JOJO name boy shows how long I’ve been writing on this site. It was back in like 08 or 09 I was in LA and this JOJO guy went nuts on me daily..Harley…I think my book had just come out…I complained then to Hearne…later he acted friendly and like he knew my family way back, who knows. I envisioned him a smallish, perhaps older jewish man, maybe even a distant relative like a 3rd or 4th cousin who I didn’t know that was jealous of my life or something…wasn’t sure. I do not recognize this guy. Maybe a Johnny Dare’s regular in Westport when the bar was there. Looks the part.
didn’t Johnny dare’s bar last a day or two?
hard to be a regular
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT…A FAKE NAME GUY, HEARNE KNOWS WORKS AT A GOLF COURSE CLEAN UP GUY, SAYS HEARNE…LIES AND SAYS DARES OPEN A DAY OR TWO…THAT NEEDS NO RESPONSE…ITS A CASE OF A HATER, JEALOUS AND FOR NO REASON ATTACKING LIKE HARLEY…SAME THING A LIAR AND A COWARD…I DON’T KNOW THIS YO-YO..SUPER DAVE…HE STARTED ATTACKING ME LIKE JOJO FOR NO REASON YEARS AGO…SO YEAH I ANSWERED BACK AND WAS’NT NICE TO HIM…AGAIN DON’T KNOW HIM DON’T CARE. HIS BUDDY DIED ANOTHER HATER, FORGET HIS NAME…ON AND ON…
LYING IS NOT NEEDED TO MAKE A POINT IS IT.
Hey stupid, as Hearne can prove, that wasn’t me that made that post. So go stick your head in a meat grinder jerk off. By the way, Hearne as well is clueless.
Hey, Craig, this Super Dave didn’t make this comment either! There’s a rash of fake Super Daves! The real one is working on his next 35 word TCK story and workin at the club…
MORE: Whats wrong with the Harley/JOJO’s is this, their attacks and comments about you “Craig is like 70, has AIDS, sleeps with hookers and strippers, etc..” are written meant to STOP any girl who reads it from wanting to go out in this case with me…no other reason…he planted about ten of those when I wrote about a movie scene I did a few months ago with a cute lady…she and I were to go out…she read the article cause it was about her and her movie, her mom read it…THAT WAS THAT….JOJO/Harley knew they would and wanted to screw me over. That he did, she broke the date…and it made her cry, the story…she is a nice girl and a professional actor in KC..we never saw each other again..of course I said I was sorry for his comments also calling her “an old whore and maybe 70 or 80″ she is very cute and 27. End of story. He’s not alone in that, radio jocks do it sometimes…put downs to try and play even with you ..”your old, your fat, your hair is fake” all done in hopes it hurts your social life nothing more…its done to me to the point its effect has worn thin, but nobody likes it…would you. I let Hearne post my photos all the time and feel pretty good bout them…and sometimes girls I do out with but if I did more on that, the comments mostly his are just brutal and the girls get upset. They aren’t used to that type of attack…’whore, stripper,slut,’ on and on…yes a couple were dancers like 2 the rest weren’t.
So let me see if I get this straight. You say you sleep with strippers. If someone points that out, it’s not true anymore? Or it is true? If someone pointing out that you sleep with strippers is gonna cause women not to be with you, why would you say that you sleep with strippers. You’re gonna need to publish a list of rules that only make sense to you Glaze.
I can’t believe he admitted that this internet troll got to his personal life. What’s that supposed to accomplish?
Punt Harley. His posts are nonsensical, unreadable, and just nasty. It’s LONG overdue. I’ll read every single other person’s post and consider their opinion. On Harley’s I just scroll right past it. It’s worthless. Flush that turd.
Ditto that.
Just like GWSWOT, I don’t bother reading anything the H-Man (or K-Rac, for that matter) posts. So, I wouldn’t care one way or the other what decision is made. Of course, my moniker(…..a.k.a. BWH) I use for posting would have far less meaning.
To Old Men at HyVees point – Jim, you’re another example of someone who’s disagreed with me a great deal but we get along just fine!
Let him write. He proves that the service is open to all believers, and he allows me to evaluate my opposition.
Harrleeyy!!! Heelllooo. You out there??
Kind of quiet.
Hmmmmm.
I think he should meet with Hearne face to face. Explain himself then Hearne should decide how to move forward.
Hearne, if you decide to take my advice, don’t go alone!
I say let him stay. Censorship sucks. Seems like 1/2 the people here claim they don’t read his comments, and then complain about something he writes.
And Harley’s looking good. It appears that he’s lost a bit of weight, got a haircut, and cleaned himself up. Last time I saw him, he had a ponytail and a long, scraggly beard. Johnny Dare can vouch for that.
The real problem with Harley’s incessant screeds, levied against any and all, is that he knows the people he is insulting, defaming and libeling.
Personally, I realize that his inane, vacuous commentary is just “White Noise” (Harley just muttered, “Racist” under his breath as he read this.), but the sheer volume of his onslaughts are disruptive from an ascetic point of view in my opinion. It’s not that anyone reads them, it is the physical presence of hundreds of thousands of misspelled words, syntax errors and stream of unconsciousness that is disruptive and distracting. It’s totally cool to get your hate on, but Jesus, the repetition and predictable stench of Harley’s rhetorical effluence reeks right off of the page.
If he is going to anonymously attack, endlessly, people by name, insulting their wives, work, family and values with playground style invective, then there should be some form of harness on this horse’s azz.
Phaedrus makes a good point, but it’s the VOLUME!
When BLM takes a bullhorn into a restaurant and screams at 115DB into your ear, while you are enjoying some pork products, that you are a racist, it ruins your breakfast.
Bull Connor, MLK, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Al Sharpton, none of us can enjoy breakfast.
Here’s another option for you, Hearne. Since you know he doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to meet with yourself, me, Craig, Dwight in person, call his hand.
He writes for national papers and blogs across the nation with “thousands of readers and followers.” Venues much larger than KCC. He’s said this for years. Have him send you 5-6 examples of his national media writing. Of course, we all know he can’t do that, but it’s a nice exercise in making the point.
He’s written his newsletter for years, it has thousands of readers. Have him send you 2-3 copies he’s always asking people to subscribe to “on my web site, law4life.” Of course, we all know that’s an email address, not a web site.
I’ve had several executives send an email asking for his newsletter and you know what they get? Nery a response let alone a newsletter.
An investigator looked into his law4life yahoo address. Much to our non-surprise, it has next to no traffic on it. And days he’s bragged about alllll the readers who emailed him laughing at me, Craig, you? You guessed it, nothing.
Tell him to meet us in person and put up or shut up. No $10K wager, no nothing. Business Titan he is, should be his pleasure.
Call his hand for the coward he is.
I don’t care if he comments like a human being with basic morals and decorum, but I have a feeling that’s beyond him.
I’m proud of my kids! I was a SINGLE DAD and made it happen. Dead beat dad? Hardly. I won’t tolerate any more character assasinations. He’s too damaging to people like me, Craig, Dwight. Do I support Craig’s life style? Likely not, but I support his ability to live it, not demeaned in libelous ways. You can say he dates YOUNG girls all day long. He DOES! My wife is 17 years younger than I, I get it. You can say he dates strippers, he does. But when it goes to “he’s going out of business because he hasn’t taken my advice” or “he got AIDS from a stripper” that’s a step too far.
People reading this blog who don’t know us personally can sit at home and say, “I’d like to go see some comedy, but Stanfords is going out of business it sounds like and that guy has AIDS! Why would I want him around my food?”
I’m weary of his slanderous insults. And Hearne, from the payroll tax discussion, you saw documents that proved, last month alone, I could have covered his bet offer a couple times with enough left over to go spend a couple weeks at my gulf front condo, while he claims, in front of friends and clients, I live in Section 8 housing.
Get my point?
Make him show up and put up. I’ll buy at the place of his choice. I’d suggest the American, before they go away….
Well said and read Paul. Points well taken again a person out to HURT others business and standing in the city…that is libal. Its a civil issue and litigious.
All this is kinda sad, a sight for fun and amusment and some interesting local and national news and opinions is hurt by a couple of hateful nuts. It’s ok to disagree and even make a joke on the writer. However Trying to hurt a business or its rep or a persons rep by lying is not ok. Paul is correct. I have dated dancers. I have and do date young women. Its a fun area to write about and has many funny stories, many in which ‘I lose’…not bragging just a slice of life stories. To a nut like JOJO its a put down, he thinks. Why? He can’t do that and never could that’s why. He’s offended. I led a crazy, unusal life, that’s why I am in the media and on radio and tv shows…unique. You don’t have to agee with it…its just a look at a road less traveled thats all. No need for hate. How about ‘yeah man Glazer I dated this girl and blah, blah,blah…’ saying a story you lived…that’s fine.
I never woke up hating on anyone in real life..Sure I have issues with people we all do, but never attacked anyone for just no reason. I have defended myself thats all.
Climb down off that high horse and give him a rest fat boy.
Since you are the ONLY commenter who has ever threatened others with physical violence on these pages, should we really be taking your advice on decorum?
I would be willing to bet that “Harley” is judgment proof which is why he can make all of the libelous statements he wants because he has nothing for you to take in a legal action.
Again, either he makes his comments under his proven real name, providing Hearne with full contact information available to anyone who subpoenas it in an actual legal action, or block him.
That’s a good point John. I too, am “Judgement Proof”. Which can be, in some ways, a fearless existence. This is why, my money, is on me, when anyone finds out who Harley is and wants to share.
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Let him stay. Proof one is born everyday. Plus he certainly represents the true face of liberalism.
Before his disgusting attack on the girl in the movie with Glazer, I was fine with him. I kind of sorta enjoyed watching him desperately vie for attention commenting on every post, & generally running off at the mouth at subjects he knew nothing about. After that vile post…he needs to be banned. The sooner the better. He crossed the line there. There have to be repercussions for actions. Everyone has the right to their opinion and we all give it here freely. But to use it just to make sexist, vile, and degrading comments for no other reason then because you can and you think it’s funny is deplorable.
Thank you Shawn.
Seems to me Hearne, Paul and Chuck are the only ones who actually read Harley’s posts. I scroll right by them … it’s not a problem. Paul’s whining actually gets on my nerves more than anything Harley says. I guess Hearne could be like the coward Greg Hall and just shut down the whole site because of those dadgum commenters!! At the end of the day, it’s Glazer’s stupendous stupidity that keeps me coming back. He’s hilarious.
Gee Tooty, should I thank you, screw you or beat you…hah, hah,hah,…uh I’m far from stupid my son…but you know that…read KING OF STING…
PS Tootster…why am I stupid? Curious and to be fair to you…if so why am I lead writer on Tonyskansascity and have the most comments on this site? I know Harley is 25% of them, but still….how do you see me being stupid…like to hear that. Thanks.
Hey, Tooty…
The main reason I read ’em is I have to. To try and keep some semblance of decency for the site
I think calling anonymous commentators “cowards” is a bit much. Are all the writers (Mark Twain, for one) that use pen names cowards? Was Ben Franklin (wrote many anonymous letters to newspapers) a coward?
Maybe I want to comment on a political post (Trump sucks, so does Hillary), but I don’t want to spend my day defending my political beliefs (all politicians are crooks) with everyone I know that might read this comment.
Maybe a future client reads this site, and won’t call if he’s a democrat (liberal a@@hole) and I’m a republican (conservative nutjob).
If you think about it like that, remaining anonymous seems pretty smart. In fact, using your real name seems pretty dumb to me. What do you have to gain? If you’re looking for attention, then don’t cry when someone (Harley?) gives it to you in a way that annoys you.
If you know someone that reads, and believes, Harley’s comments, that should give you a pretty good indication of their intellect and/or common sense. So, in a sense, Harley is doing you a favor…
I must say that many people here take themselves way too seriously…
Good points, Phaedrus…
I think pretty much everyone’s points thus far have been wee thought out and expressed.
This isn’t so much a right or wrong thing, but what is best for readers of the site.
The mere fact that this has already generated so many really good comments answers your question, Hearne, imho. Heck yes, keep Harley. I’ll come back to Harley in a moment but I want to address a few other topics first. I’ll try not to run on here but I do want to support my views.
First off is the issue of commenting under an alias that many have addressed. For the most part, but not completely, I do agree that if you are going to be insulting, and maybe even libelous, it is not right that you should be able to hide behind an alias. If one can make their point without being insulting then an alias is fine with me. I’ve made this point before but Whitten Pells’ generalization above is shallow. I have actually dropped a number of hints over the time I have posted here and a good number of you already know who I am. My reasons for remaining anonymous are based on the fact that I am an officer at a large insurance brokerage firm that operates in the health insurance marketplace. I have strongly advocated for government involvement in healthcare and that position runs very counter to the overwhelming majority in my industry. That position may also jeopardize our relationship with clients. My anonymity is based on that in conjuction with the opinion of my employer. If you think that is chicken$hit, I get it but business and the money that goes with it is serious stuff to many.
Secondly, and this is only in response to Paul Wilson’s statement that I usually disagree with him. I am an addicted political junkie and when that topic is addressed is usually when I post here. It is true that my political views and Paul’s are usually counter to each other but not always and Paul almost always supports his position well. On all topics that he has addressed here it seems to me that he does substantial research and is very credible on about every piece he has written. I always enjoy Paul’s contributions and I don’t want readers to think I’m a critic of his.
Thirdly, I also thought that the picture at the top of the piece was Harley. For Hearne not to assume that readers would come to this same conclusion was naive on his part.
Ok, now Harley. There are two areas that cause me problems with Harley. First off is that he is obviously over the top in his insults. Discourse should always be civil and Harley doesn’t subscribe to that view. His style is bombastic slash and burn with friend and foe alike. Second is that for someone who purports to be a journalism graduate from MU, he clearly takes no pride in his grammar, punctuation or spelling. Beyond that, however I’m in almost total agreement with everything Harley writes. His politics and mine are very much parallel and from my perspective he knows his stuff.
Harley brings some heat and gravitas to counter the similarly unhinged commenters on the other side of the political aisle. Reading the “punch/counter punch” comments between Harley and his favorite target (s) with regards to political topics is something I relish, personally. When he attacks Paul and Craig with his insults on other topics he is out of line and I also think he has no right to attack Dwight’s family when the topic is political.
Good topic, Hearne. Might even get to 100.
some good points…we don’t care about his opinions wiht us or not..its the mean cruel comments and family and business lies involved…as you can see JOJO hasn’t commented odd.
Well, for a naive dude, I’ll take that last sentence as a compliment…
And i know very well that you appreciate Harley’s political contributions.
So let’s take it to the next level, Stomps…
How do you suggest I cut the baby in half in a manner that Dwight and Paul can live with.
And recognize that the chances of Harley putting himself are doubtless slim and none!
Well?
When you put it that way, hmmmm.
If you’re telling me that I can either have regular pieces written by Dwight and Paul or I can have Harley’s comments, you make it simple.
Give me Dwight and Paul.
Thank you.
Would that you could have all three, Stomps…
I’m not the architect of this situation
Well, let’s see how good of a arbiter you are HC. Some of us know you were on the Futures Arbitration Board in an earlier life and that role gave you much tougher conflicts to resolve.
I would love to have all three but I get where Paul and Dwight are coming from. I think they both provide well written and supported pieces that generate a volume of quality comments and debate. As a follower here I think it would be a huge blow to KCC to lose just one, let alone both. And I write that as someone who disagrees with the majority of what they both write politically. They do not deserve to face the barrage of personal insults they receive.
On the other hand Harley brings some critical mass when he steps into a conversation here. Just look at the comment count. There has to be a way to find some common ground so the three can coexist and I think it is in your best interest Hearne, to find a path to it.
Harley, you have to dial it down. Your bombast detracts from your message. I think your absence here would be a loss for KCC. However if the choice comes down to you commenting OR Dwight and Paul writing regular pieces, but not both, I don’t like your chances.
I agree, given some of the loons out there, some may wish to comment without worrying that their lives will be threatened. I’m fine with that for people who comment responsibly with well thought out posts. But those who abuse it by just constantly insulting people and engaging in personal attacks should be forced to reveal their identities because they truly are cowards.
I think I used the term “coward” tied to anonymous. Let me clarify. I ONLY MEAN THAT with regard to someone, 99% of the time Harley, when anonymity is used to hide who you are while you are illegally slandering people.
I know why Stomper uses his name. If I was him I’d do the same thing. Lib, aka, all the others using same, I understand them doing so and support that. They have legit reasons to do so.
Coward ONLY APPLIES, in my description, where you’re personally going after someone, their vocation, family and making overt attempts to hurt them.
Hope that clears that up. I seriously enjoy the 99% of you. Most all of you use fake names. In that application, it’s not cowardly, it’s smart.
I don’t see Harley weighing in on his own fate above, presumably because he’s been disallowed from comments on this one. But why? How about giving him some due process? Sort of like the sentencing hearing they have after a perp’s found guilty of whacking somebody out? Hand Harley a Hearing, I say!
Dear Rage:
There is nothing preventing Harley from weighing in.
To the contrary, his silence appears quite deafening…up until now anyway
well, almost all of you have said most of what I had been thinking, so without rehashing many of the same points less well than yourselves, here’s what I think would be a reasonable course of action:
ban him from commenting for a week or so – longer if the content doesn’t change too much – maybe even a month. put him on notice that many of his comments are completely unacceptable, and libelous, personal attacks will not be tolerated.
after this ‘cooling off’ period, allow him back stipulating that one cross over the line will result in a permanent ban.
we all know he is not stupid, he just says stupid things. self-aggrandizing because – who knows – deep seated insecurities? low self-esteem? maybe, we don’t know. maybe he’s just drunk all the time, which could explain, in part, his poor use of grammar and typos. but maybe he’s just lazy… or dyslexic AND drunk. maybe he’s just a sad little man who’s been handed too many disappointments in life.
my point in saying all that has nothing to do with judging him, defending him, or excusing his personal attacks on Paul and others.
it is, however, about counting on him being smarter than he appears and having the ability to clean up his act.
let him prove he is incapable of that first. then we can judge.
good points.
Food for thought, miket…
But will this be acceptable to Paul and Dwight?
Which nut is Dwight holding on to and which one is Paul holding on to Hearne
They both are locked into my right one (if you must know)
Thought I’d weigh in here for a minute…
Haven’t had time to fully read all the comments – I will later – however there does seem to be a preponderance of opinion that Harley’s comments are so extreme that unless he comes out or assumes a more civil discourse, he not be allowed on the site.
Me, I’m pretty thick skinned after all these years and unlike some of our writers, I mostly let his over-the-top rants roll off my back.
But that’s just me…
I tend to side with the Stomper in that I find many of his comments provocative and even when he’s kinda out in left field on certain topics like radio, he obviously seems to have at the very least a modicum of knowledge.
He even surprises me sometimes with comments that evidence he does in fact have an insider’s perspective.
And while I’ve tried to keep him halfway reigned in, at times I get busy and his comments are sooooooo long that I miss something.
So I don’t know.
I’d hate to see some of more popular writers bail if Harley is allowed to continue, even in edited form. However, that apparently could happen.
So I’d be interested in you guys making a clear vote – yay or nay – and also in our airing your view to the writers who are now considering drawing a line in the sand.
Here’s my vote:
Harley gets permabanned.
Wilson gets a 7-14 day time out for threatening to sue everyone who disagrees with him and hilariously demanding people put their full names on comment websites. He makes it not fun to comment here as everyone is fair game but him. He’s starting to develop CG bad habits of name dropping and his actions have a quieting effect on free and open speech. He famously threatened to sue someone over the fact that they thought his wife’s singing sucks (it kinda does). This was of course without any self awareness of the famous Harry Truman opera story. Harley is no WaPo writer but Paul Wilson sure as shit ain’t Harry Truman. Take a vacation and take your 90s hair with you.
^^^ Fat ass perv Super Dave
As well you’re as wrong as the other stupid jerk on here. and you wonder why people can’t tolerate you..
Hearne its not him commenting its the hate stuff…that makes him so awful. Otherwise I don’t care, but I do care when he is gross and lies. As everyone has mentioned..”your 70,
AIDS, etc…thats not cool…so if he was a bit more normal fine…if not no. OK to disagree but the intense hate attacks aren’t.
That’s part of his DNA. Each January he finds Jesus, makes a partial apology, says it’s all fun and games, stays on topic for 2 days then goes off the reservation again.
He’s simply a vile human being and that’s his M.O.
It’s boring and repetitious to read any story on any topic, come to his comment and it’s a totally unrelated rant on why he’s so wonderful, Hillary, economy, blah, blah, blah that has nothing to do with the story.
Then that’s not good enough. He has to come back ten times and rant on the same unrelated topics. I’ve counted in excess of 4,000 words in his comments on a single 650 word story! (Before you jump to conclusions, Word Count does that for you…I’m not using my fingers and toes)
Enough is enough. He can’t remain civil, he can’t stay on topic. I disagree with Hearne, but it’s his blog. It’s his call.
And it’s Paul’s “fingers and toes” or whatever
If “your 70” is considered offensive, gross, slanderous, etc., why should Hearne use you as a barometer. Sack up
I think that was refering to Craig, not me.
The 1st Amendment and Freedom Of Speech is the cornerstone on which we built this Republic.
As much as I hate the length and repetition, the personal insults, the relentless belligerent stupidity, I think, in the end, it is the price we pay, to be able to say anything we want in public, on any subject. There are far more people in America (As evidenced by the Presidential Election Polls.) that despise my politics and viewpoints that agree with me. The efforts on the left, to silence those voices on the right, with violence, intimidation and legerdemain, are on the books, now, in this election for all to see.
The Right has the high ground.
Let freedom ring along side the sonic wail of Harley’s incessant howls into a new dark American night. In Europe, the opinions I have, here on this blog, are deigned criminal. The lights have gone out, all over Europe.
Let’s keep them on here, for as long as we can.
If we restrict Harley’s Free Speech, we restrict our own.
God Bless ya Paul, I luv ya buddy. If you can find recourse in or out of the courts in any action, I support it. If Harley confronted me and insulted me to my face again and again as he does here, I would have an issue. But talk is cheap, especially from behind a keyboard.
I Vote He Stays.
Hearne’s asking for opinions, that’s yours, I respect that as usual, agree or disagree.
1st amenment doesn’t apply here. Hearne can do whatever he wants
In case I wasn’t clear, I too, vote he stays. I need all the help I can get in arguing with Chuck. 🙂
I hope it doesn’t cause any who comment to decide against posting here, especially the regulars but that’s their call.
Harley, I write this as one who loves your politics, but you really do need to make an effort to eliminate or at least substantially tone down the insults. I can tolerate the length and writing errors because many of us bury the readers with our length, repetition, and perceived relentless stupidity but you can make your points without the bloodshed.
So sayeth, the Stomper…
Ladies?
Harley?
After all the water that’s gone under the bridge, Paul and Dwight have a right to know who Harley is if he is to be allowed to ever comment again and a temporary ban should be exacted as punishment for past misdeeds.
…and thank YOU!
And my original comment to Hearne was overlooked. Make him meet with us and prove his outlandish claims of national writing, thousands of readers, his newsletters he publishes on his “website.” The guy is a sociopath. A couple of my contacts feel he’s a dangerous one at that!
As I’ve said, if the truth paid a $1,000, Harley would tell a lie for FREE!
The H Man is not gonna meet with “us”
Anymore than he’s going to show up at a Babby Slayton show at Stanford’s or escrow $10,000 to bet Craig that Hillary Clinton wins the presidency.
To date, he’s not even weighing in on this discussion, so we’ll see.
If that’s the case and you lose Paul and Dwight if he stays, then ban him. Meaningless lying trolls are a dime a thousand on these blogs.
Kerouac chiming in, aft my return mission involving the ‘Making America Great Again’ mandate Donald Trump, our soon elected 45th President United States of America.
As for the protagonist (antagonist?) this article/poll, yours truly does not embrace the censoring of a commenter, unless they cross a line (as in get ‘out of’, as twere), said the editor’s call. Protag or antag, this poster in question does not bother me at all… always consider the source when considering anyone’s post.
While no ones writing style is perfect (whatever that entails, especially considering we are unable edit a post aft the fact despite finding typos/etc.), do find it difficult to read paragraph-less stream of thought consciousness, merely because it’s hard on the eyes, this in contrast Kerouac’s prodigious knack and acumen, which informs as it entertains. That said, do scan ‘h’is articles fairly quickly to alleviate the aforementioned strains(s); when the poster in question (or any other poster, that matter) uses a coarse narrative, or makes personal insults other poster’s their reply, it says more about them than the original poster. This website, ‘h’e is not alone in said. Along those lines, those who claim to pass over or not even read certain posters are, at minimum, disingenuous, and they know who they are.
So, in conclusion my fellow Americans/KCC, information and entertainment is always Kerouac’s interest this venue, both receiving and giving. As such, I cast an vote not to ban anyone, only to censor when whatever consistent or arbitrary standard editor HC deems appropriate is violated.
As George Patton noted, “As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, by God, get carried away with my own eloquence.”To wit, carry on, ye wayward sons of ……. every stripe.
Sunday at Narrowhead:
New Orleans Saints 5,999
@ the swiss chiefs .0000
🙂
Wow. I have no idea what that said….either you’re drunk or I’m hung over.
If black is the absence of color, Kerouac is a life-long teetotaller…
🙂
Think he said, Harley should stay and I should edit out his libelous comments
+ 1
That’s totally your call if you so choose.
Also, I demand CG’s horrible football picks. I hope he awakes from his apnea sleep, takes off his CPAP, picks and eats the coke boogers out of his nose and delivers another gem to rival his Akron +30 pick.
There are very few genuinely hilarious things on the internet. Watching Craig tell me what obscure ESPN3 game to bet money on and having him be wrong 70% of the time is one of them.
I used to comment on this site all the time, still enjoy the articles. The comment section is pretty much a closed circle of regulars, and Harley is the tolerated idiot who’s allowed to tag along because he’s everyone’s foil. I think many of us feel it’s more of eaves-dropping on a conversation of friends than a place to express an opinion as an “outsider”. Also, with the exception of Paul, Glaze, and a couple of others, it’s clear most commentator are “playing” a character created and used in anonymity ; an exaggerated version of themselves strictly for entertainment value. Harley has just taken that to the enth degree, and over the line. He needs to be censured when that line is crossed, as do all of us if it happens. Other than that, I’d vote to let him be. Right now, he’s in his glory: he’s sucking up all the oxygen and has his own column dedicated to him. In Harley’s world, that’s a win.
I didn’t know until this morning, it was an “either – or” situation with Paul and Dwight.
Einstein proved that at the speed of light, time stands still. Yet, the clock ticks on and the worm turns as the sun shines on this lucky dog’s azz.
I choose to stand in the light. I need it to read Paul and Dwight’s takes.
if it is keep harley vs keep pw and dwight, i have to vote that he goes.
i do agree philosphically with chuck that if we restrict harley’s free speech we restrict our own. but that isn’t what this about.
it’s about choosing whose content we value more – harley’s comments or posts from paul and dwight. hearne wouldn’t be restricting his free speech, only access to one of many forums.
if, as paul suggested, harley is beyond exercising some self-control and redemption, then the choice is clear.
Or, as I’ve suggested, Harley meets with us in person, brings proof of his claims, which he can’t and won’t….because he’s a cowardly gas bag without the hundreds emailing him, subscribing to his newsletter, etc.
He’s a dangerous, pathological liar.
I don’t think he would need to bring proof; as I understand it you guys want to know who he is so you can hold it over his head and out him if he goes off the reservation
No, you’re wrong.
I’d like him backed down on all his lies and false bravado.
He needs to be shown as the pathologic liar he is.
You’d like a lot of things, I know…
But the deal was he out himself to us and we warn him.
No way we can nor do we need to out him for his BS.
This isn’t about satisfying grudges, it’s about coming up with a reasonable solution.
And right now it’s crickets from Mr. H
Off topic I know, but no picks this week from Craig Glazer? I thought he did picks weekly. Well I started last week, just to see how I would fare, and I went 50%. My picks this week are…
OAK +1 over JAX
HOU +15 over DEN in a teaser with SD +13 over ATL
WSH/DET over 49.5
— Colton
Dunno what happened to Craig…
Haven’t been able to reach him or hear from him today.
Maybe you-know-whom kidnapped him!
I had a late night guys sorry, we celebrated a comics birthday at a club…met a hottie…just woke up
I think, that the reason Harley is absent, is because, someone HE knows, knows now, from this article, that JoJo is Harley and is bustin his azz about it.
It is hard to imagine, in real life, Harley unencumbered by literally legions of acquaintances who would wish him ill.
If there are people out there, with proof of life, Harley’s life, there might be a reward for that information.
🙂
I sent in my football picks yesterday, Hearne must have gotten busy and didn’t get it up, sorry people. I like Chiefs and Oakland today in a tease and of course Pats over Steelers.
He sent them quite late yesterday and I had a hot date!
Got it up Sunday…er, Craig’s pics
Finally about Harley/JOJO….look clearly his commenting on this site is his life. If he said he was sorry, meant it and just wrote comments not hate…that’s fine. I’m a big boy I can forgive someone.
no glazo this is not my life.
I have more money…more assets….more cash and a better life than
you.
I didn’t have dad and granpa saving me during my career.
KCC is not my life. It is your’s!
You need it more than I do. but don’t blame Harley for your
lack of a dating life. That’s one thing Harley will nto stand for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sitting here lmaorotg!!!! For those who don’t get internet talk that means
“sitting here laughing my ass off rolling on the ground!”
Hearne’s article got to 103 comments so congrats to hearne.
But it showed that Harley is still the king of kcc!
That the readers really can’t stand wislon or (as hearne referred to him
as a box salesman) and that glaze blames Harley for this poor dating pool
of ladies (I am framing that quote!).
Here’s the facts old boys!
1. Nothing…not a single thing Harley claims on this little blog is untrue. I write
fast…because I own a successful business…travel 2 times per month….have a list
of clients of the top businesspeople in the nation…an not one thing I write is
false about Harley. And I offer this bet. If you doubt it and you’re a man and not
a mouse put your money where you mouth is. Real simple. Bring a claim I’ve
made/put up your money with a mediator and Harley will prove his claim within
lets say 10 minutes. 10K is all it takes which wislon pointed out is nothing
to what his last paycheck!
HERE’S JUST A FEW OF THE FACTS I MAKE
1. I MAKE MORE MONEY THAN WISLON EVER HAS. HAVE A GREATER NET
WORTH AND MORE LIQUID PROPERTIES AND TAX RETURNS THAN HIM
AND GLAZO. I take into account that glazo would be
still in chino and broke if not for daddy and grandpa! He’s not self made under
any circumstances and I still can outnumber the guy. I wrote a comment about the
overland park market….some ideas to save his business…what I would do in his
situation….all of which were based on facts that he never knew but which Harley
gave a presentation on. And I challenge the “brains” on kcc to prove me wrong.
Want to challenge me. I can get the paperwork in 10 minutes and
we can set up the bet. But bring your 10K in cash…winner takes all! Real simple!
But as I said everything I claim on here is 100% TRUE and if you are man enough
to put your money up to prove me wrong….LETS GIT ‘ER DONE!!!!!!!
I have no desire to meet with anyone. I have met hearne at Anderson’s place
in union station and we had a great time. But outside the little enjoyment I get
from proving all of you wrong….I don’t have the time nor the intention of spending
time with old men like wislon/glazo (although glazo probably has some great
stories that we could swap)/hearne/kerowacky/mike t/southy (although I know
southy’s family and they were very good to me in years past)/But really I have nothing in common withany of you. I started with nothing but a small desk and phone and
today live and travel like a king. Yes..I’ve had some shaky times…but I gambled
with the biggest gamblers…literally live in las vegas and eat and drink and party
like a king (remember our family and friends ran vegas). And you could ask any
one from the Kaufmans (now deceased) to Ollie Gates about Harley’s family
and they know US! Guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But let’s talk about KCC. Hearne since getting a divorce and moving into another
career selling cars has done a real poor job of running this blog. But he has other
priorties now. The ads are over 2 years old. And most people don’t realize that
not a single comment from Harley gets published to KCC without Hearnes approval. Yes…every Harley comment gets the certified seal of approval from Hearne before
it appears on kcc. He moderates it all…so Hearne…if my comments are so
rude and horrible why let them up?
Secondly…no writer/ commentator has the inside information (I know the truth
about the jewel heist and it’s connection to KU basketball)…the 100% correct
predictions….so I’m the fact checker on all these shall we say either ridiculous
stories or the b.s. the writers and other commentators try to slip by.
I WAS THE ONLY PERSON HERE RIGHT ON THE ROYALS. The resident
sports “expert” is not so expert and so Harley pointed it out.
I WAS PREDICTING A HILLARY LANDSLIDE 16 MONTHS AGO! Wislon/
and glazo probablyl wrote 10 articles discrediting my prediction. And guess who
was right. Not oreilly or Hannity/not todd or rachelle/not any pundit or experts…
it was HARLEY who hit 2012 an 2016 perfectly. And even if you hate my spelling
and grammar you have to give Harley great credit for doing something no one
else did!
I’ve been on every national morning tv show/featured on the front pages
of dailies from kc to los angeles/front page usa today….and how many people
can say that.
So lets look at Harleys so called “victims”
GLAZO: Glazo made so many mistakes including lying til hearne corrected him.
Glazo makes big hay of his book/the movie that was never made/his horrible
sports picks which are proven wrong every week and we counted them and they
are bad. Harley is a great numbers man…I know stats and demographics and
study the inside of events and as hearne and stomper said…I am always right!
It’s a fact Harley writes on all his blogs…from Huffington post to redstate to
politico to talking points memo. I’ve worked on campaigns for the house/senate
and presidents….and they still come to me to examine polls/numbers/stats/
and trends. And I write these on my blogs. But lets be honest…glazo not Harley
is the reason he can’t get the kind of nice girls he wishes. Glazo wrote stories
about his dog (harely didn’t) glazo wrote stories (and many of them) about his
love for strippers and dancers! Glazo wrote stories about sex with a woman
while her son watched….Harley had no idea any of this was going on. So glazo
has no one to blame for his lonely life roaming the streets of Westport and pand l
and other place (people have emailed me about this) looking for love. As the
song goes glazo been looking for “love in all the wrong places!!!!!!
I have never insulted his family…I never said the man had aids (although I did
warn him about use of steroids and negative side effects he will eventually see)…
and I’ve never made any of those horrible comments on tonyskc that literally
are 100% of the comments. I read tonys for local info…but never comment…and
glazo only has to get tony to give him the ip addresses and mine won’t match up.
But let me put you all ina secret…anyone with the most minute knowledge of
computers knows how to change their ip address. Anyone with the most
minute knowledge of computers could shut kcc down forever. I’m sure hearnes
server is pretty weak and in a matter of minutes someone could literally freeze his
blog forever. See Harley is also a computer whiz and has a team of the smartest
computer people in the world (via freelance.com). So Harley could continue to
write 1000 comments and hearne could not stop them appearing on his blog.
But why….Harley doesn’t have the time. But in between work it’s fun to get
under the thin skin of those who fight and doubt Harley!
WISLON: Oh boy. Wislon hangs out with lots of judges and lawyers. BFD.
What he doesn[t have is a team of the smartest internet attorneys in the nation
who could file motions/suits/do depositions that c0uld literally financially
bankrupt anyone on the net. But…if someone has nothing to get to…why
bother? If someone you want to sue has nothing for you to go after…WHY?
Harleys got better things to do. But what I do have is the capability to get
free publicly available information (plus other information given to Harley)
off the net. Its public record and it’s available for anyone. So haarley says
“people in glass houses should not throw stones”. He without falsehoods
and misrepresentations should not tangle with Harley”!
I make no threats…I only know what meand my computer crew can get that
almost no one else can find. And boy can we get plenty.
Wislon has stalked me to vegas….has threatened me….threatened to come to
my home…was given my ip address and said I lived near a sewer plant (hahahahah)
please I can’t stop laughing about that. All of which make Harley nervous and
files report with police. And if anyone is interested in seeing it, us democrats have
a game we play. It’s called PAY TO PLAY (hahahaha). So if ya doubt Harley…get
your 10K (which is lunch money to many on here) and lets GET ER DONE.
Why does wislon use his real name here. I have said it’s not smart and when
others come out and make the comments about him and lets say his client
reads it…it does not look good. He does it because he has little to show. Even heaarne mocked him on this site….calling him a salesman
for a moving company. So for wislon to attack someone like Harley (and remember
wislon wasn’t on kcc for month and no one missed him) who knows EVERYTHING’
it’s really ridiculous. And I promise if attacked Harley has more where it all
comes from.
As far as glazo and his real name…well he needs publicity and craves it.
But he’s now on two lower level stations….according to his own writing can’t
get into the building of the top stations…..doesn’t advertise and is cia (cash in
advance) and yet he blames Harley for destroying his dating life~!!!!!!!! Come
on glazo….think of something better.
So in finalizing this response….Harley could really care less about kcc.
It’s a 10 minute thing to break up the day. I have proven beyond a reasonable
doubt that I am always right. Noone has proven me wrong and no one will.
You all say “stick to the topic”…well Harleys may veer off but he’s a genius.
Let’s get the right here….Harley has done more…made more….has traveled more…
is more respected and loved in this town and around the nation…than anyone
on here! It’s a fact jack.
So I’m not gonna meet anyone. If hearne turns off my ip address…well Harley
can move on or post on another ip address. It’s pretty simple.
So hearne…your story blew up in glazos and wislons face. Even chucky and
kero said let me write here. But really I don’t care. I do know that Harley
ain’t leaving those who mocked him…who threatened him…and no
wislon I have never heard your wife sing. I hate jazz! Although many of
my friends perform in jazz clubs here in kc.
So hearne….Harley will continue to be the king of kc and king of kcc.
You can not bring down the giant!
I am funny/witty/and the one who brings you readers. If you wrote about
wislon no one would have replied. He’s just another ordinary guy in a job I would
consider boooorrrrrrringgggg dealing with maintenance people and hr departments
to get boxes and desks and dog houses and kids toys and dishes and tables and
chairs and rugs and wall art and forks and spoons and pillows and beds and
couches and desks and knivesand whatever people move these days from one
place to another@! I’d rather eat steaks and drink wine at capital grille than
do that to be honest. I’d rather cut my throat than do that type of work…but
that’s Harley.
Have agreat day…and I lok forward to glazo blowing another sunday paycheck…
chucks right wing cut and paste from KKK Weekly and old man Kerowacky
entertaining us with his stats (the guy is really good at proving himself though)
and you writing articles and give LITTLE HARLEY….the king…..an entire
article.
count the votes….make a decision…but Harley will continue to be the only
one who’s right.
And that is something you can[t deny.
And if I want to make a comment on here…my computer boys can make it
possible.
Love you all….but never doubt Harley.
I’ll take all this under consideration.
In the meantime, I suggest you email me Harley at hearne@kcconfidential and we’ll sort this all out.
No guarantees, but I more or less gave you the last word – unedited – here.
We’ll see
Correction, fukstick, the people you mentioned, if you read for content, said, and I paraphrase, if it’s a choice between Harley’s comments or Dwight and Paul writing, we choose them!
But you don’t read…..you scan to insult.
It’s Hearne’s call, I really don’t care which way he goes.
As for writing under another IP, you can have 5 IP’s and call yourself Bill Smith; there’s absolutely hiding your 3rd grade skills.
And you’re “I’m too busy and powerful to worry about spelling and grammar” (with an MU J SCHOOL degree behind you) is laughable.
That’s why your close friend, Ewing Kauffman, wrote and communicated like a kindergarten kid – he was even more important than you and had less time to spare on frivolities like spelling and grammar.
I see a disease sweeping thru kcc/the city/the nation…
its commonly seen in older white males.
ITS CALLED PTT
POST TRUMP TRAUMA….and all you BUT HARLEY are suffering from it. (LOL)
IM’ WITH HER!
don’t need it hearne…
this blog is really inconsequential. Poorly done. Poorly run…a real wreck.
really no readers to speak of.
I’ve moved on…this mish mash of deadbeats and
glazo the bozo has already been publicly humiliated at tonys and now
you slammed both of them…making glazo the bozo shown as a liar
and wislon who you called a salesman for a moving company.
Classic lines I will never forget.
Even you cut their balls off in the end.
I’ll comment elsewhere.
And if anyone wants to put their money where their mouth is…they
know where to find me…
law4life1000@yahoo.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111
hearne:
tell your ex to stop sending me emails!
tell the box salesman to read the comments at tonys!
Harley wins always! hahahahahahahaha!
No, no he doesn’t. Trust me on that one.
HEARNE AFTER READING THE NUTS REPONSE DUMP HIS EFFING ASS FROM HERE HE’S A REAL ASSHOLE.
Paul, I think you have lost all perspective. Christ, it almost seems like Harley must have slept with your wife (assuming you’re married)?
He’s a troll, and likely an idiot. However, in the “game” between you and him, he seems to be winning…
At 6:15 am this morning, I started reading the comments posted here. Admittedly, I became weary after a while and scanned the last 40 or so. In no particular order of importance, I distrust anyone who speaks of themselves in third person. I agree with the comment that most participation on this site is by a small group of regulars. It is fair to say that rude and obnoxious comments can be found everywhere, but I’m of the opinion that they are slightly more prevalent here.
The Star stopped anonymous name comments; so did Politico and other sites have followed suit. Under a real name system, comments are less interesting. Why? The dearth of good ideas. Apparently, the freedom of anonymity brings forth only the kind of sarcasm and cynicism that can’t be exercised in real life.
Anonymous name comment boards suffer from the abuse of the clever. Threads take on a life of their own and devolve into personal vendetta. They’re the domain of people who have “chops” writing sarcastic cynical material with a penchant for personal insult. What I find lacking is truly intelligent writing. Sarcasm and cynicism is a sign of intelligence, but no substitute for it.
You state that a real name system brings about a dearth of good ideas and that a system that allows anonymous posts is lacking in intelligent writing. So I guess it’s a lose-lose situation.
The entertainment value of an anonymous comment section is a plus. Anonymous comments encourage more participation; more clicks per article, which help sell Internet advertising. I tend to favor a real name system, though. People tend to be polite.
I agree. Look, I can be mean spirited with Hearne and Glaze, but I would never threaten anybody. Also, my sometimes mean comments towards Glaze and Hearne come from things they have written, not out of the blue. If you haven’t seen Glaze’s man and a dog series on YouTube, you should check it out Laura, especially the first episode about his view on women. Now it may be that he’s just kidding about his disrespect for women, and if so, I just don’t understand the angle about joking about something like that. Especially when he will then blame Harley that Harley is somehow ruining his dating pool applicants instead of blaming himself. Same with Hearne’s assertion that pictures and a tell all of the boy’s death at Schlitterbahn shouldn’t upset his parents because of Isis and all the bad things that are happening in the world, and that they should suck it up. If he wants to tell us that we can handle it, that’s one thing. And if he wants to believe that the parents can handle it, fine. But to actually say it a day or two after seems a little heartless.
Whew, at least I escaped that one!
I told you to piss off below. 🙂
Thanks, Laura…
Well, the truth lies somewhere in between, I think.
The Star is afraid of its own shadow, so it’s no surprise they limit/edit comments.
I’ve got enough filters that I can keep things halfway decent and I think we get a number of thoughtful posts…such as yours here.
I do agree that the cloak of anonymity brings forth information and ideas that likely would not otherwise appear
As stated earlier, if JOJO/HARLEY would be a decent guy, fine. He doesn’t want to do that as he made clear. Again I know he adds tons of content to the site, but its just so mean spirited, usually not true and is not a real person with no real name or any background himself. I can see why other writers get upset, he’s just too much and too whacky. Do what you want Hearne, you always do.
I understand a little of what Laura is saying but at the same time, she really isn’t posting her own full name so, in fact, she is posting with anonymity. But then I wouldn’t want certain writers or people on here being able to seek out where I live either, as it appears from what has been said, your writers will do just that. I do agree with Laura on the fact that intelligent writing is very lacking on this site a good portion of the time. HARLEY THE ALWAYS MAGNIFICENT, at times is so far out in left field you wonder what drugs he is on. Then as Hearne said, he rambles on and makes some sense. But look at what some of Glazer’s stories in the past have been made of. Those are not the stories that would be posted in very many other places either. Has HARLEY THE ALWAYS MAGNIFICENT been banned from a media group? HARLEY THE ALWAYS MAGNIFICENT’S attacks at times are rather raw, to say the least, and your writers Hearne seem to have an issue with it. But as this post points out Hearne, your own writers are far from being innocent of being nasty themselves. Craigs attacks on a woman with name calling got him in very hot water and still has and please Hearne don’t try and cover that up, too many people now know what happened and the truth, not just Craig’s version of it. So how does one ask to ban someone when Wilson and Glazer are both guilty of the same things dealing with the subject matter here. How do you criticize or question how one acts while not keeping your own house in order? Or is this a simple case of what we do or say is okay, but you readers and commentators are held to a much higher standard of ethics?
Jackoff who is as bad as JOJO/HARLEY a huge troll hater…there were as you know no name calling by me on any woman anywhere nor was anyone ever ever saying that BUT YOU. You are a troll…love to see you sometime my friend.
Fake Jack as Chuck points out you are A COWARD PUNK. Care to disprove it?
Jack, I write for several newspapers across the country as well as a few “Pitch-like” publications. Never, ever, in comments from any of them, has it strayed into personal attacks such as those Harley launches.
I’ve said before, I’ll say it again, a good deal of comments on here have disagreed with me over the years. I’ve not “attacked” any of them and, in 99% of the cases, have make friends or acquaintances out of them!
Objections large and small are part of this game. I’m fine with that. But people like Harley who take advantage of the situation in an attempt to hurt you professionally or personally, the line gets drawn there.
No one here has made an attempt to FIND anyone. Granted, a private investigator looked into Harley as a result of him portraying an attorney and threatening me by phone and email. All I know of Harley came from that instance where more of his life and activity was looked into in the commission of a felony.
This is a safe zone for all commenters. If you go off the rails into criminal threats or activities, that’s a different story.
I have a full plate running the division of my company I’m responsible for and writing pieces for various outlets. I’m fine staying here or going. Makes no difference to me at all, especially given the Harley factor. I’m sure his boyfriend can’t stand him either, but why volunteer for it if you don’t have to?
I’m in a similar position, Paul. I’ve got novels on Amazon. I write for periodicals. I fear the retaliation that could come from an unbalanced individual damaging my livelihood. What begins as lighthearted fun can quickly become destructive.
I totally get it. Out of tens of thousands of readers a week, in different venues and formats, Harley is as unhinged as they come.
Feel free to find me at paulwilsonkc@gmail
I dunno, Jack…
I’m really more into news, information and entertainment than I am perfection.
Don’t get me wrong, this ain’t Tony’s. Nor does it plan to be.
However, nor is it a safe home for disaffected worshippers of political correctness
Wait… You mean this isn’t a safe space? 🙁
One point, that is absolutely, metaphysically, categorical, is that Harley is a contemptible coward, who uses his anonymity as a shield to cover his lies concerning his erudition, wealth and “connections”.
It is easy to understand Stomper’s explanation for his nom de plume. The folks here on this site, rarely stray into “Harley” territory when cussing and discussing politics or any other subject. The rhetoric is heated and passionate, but not personally pejorative. Hence, anonymity is accepted for those possessing the decency not to claim carnal knowledge of your wife and mother.
If folks hate someone enough to personally insult, threaten or try to intimidate them, then they should use their real name. Harley, would NEVER use the language he uses now, if his identity were known. He knows this, we all know it. He is no doubt, at least smart enough, to know that his intellectual vulnerability in an argument where the odds were even, based on knowledge of HIS wife, mom, or daughters, HIS job, HIS history, would leave him eviscerated and destroyed here and in the city. Exposed for the churlish and petty nebbish that he is, he would fade away faster than a high summer morning fog.
Your first 12 words sum it up. See how well brevity works?
“One point, that is absolutely, metaphysically, categorical, is that Harley is a contemptible coward, who uses his anonymity as a shield to cover his lies concerning his erudition, wealth and “connections”.”
OK, boys and girls, let’s wrap this baby up and I’ll have a decision for you shortly.
Hey, you opened the topic, you can see it goes pretty heavy against the H man. The comments may not end till they end unless you have a fat lady warming up…
Dunno…
The nays are more repetitious and the yays more succinct.
You know Hearne, you don’t like political correctness. So tell everyone, especially Paul and Dwight who are telling you that they’ll not write if Harley stays, to piss off. I mean, nobody is complaining about Chuck and he likes to be racist and back up his racism with every instance of a black crime, whether it’s a shooting or otherwise. Doesn’t matter that you could tally up all the white crimes and find that we’re pretty much all the same in our love of depravity. And I don’t want to see Chuck banned. I’ll be more than happy to point out his racist tendencies, but I enjoy having him around. I vote No on Safe Spaces. Keep Harley, Chuck, Dwight, Paul, Glazer, Kerowac…. oh, yeah, and me of course.
Oh, and Laura too. I’m not sexist.
Your definition of a racist=anyone who prints facts related to African American criminality or notices the dysfunction and entropy that is part and parcel of that culture. Or, just anyone who disagrees with the Liberal narrative and thinks that facts count.
I quit reading Harleys posts shortly after hanging out here.
If you do ban him, it will just save me a ton of scrolling, which is nice.
You’re a good egg, Lib. Even when you 100% disagree with me. Remember all those times I threatened you physically? Said I’d expose who you really are, after all those times you told me how wrong I was?
No?
Me either…
If I had a wife, would slander her for me?
I just couldn’t bring myself to.
Wow, 140 comments and still flying up. Not sure what the record is but clearly we are in rarified air. The topic of Harley appears to dwarf all others that have appeared here.
Hearne, you haven’t come out and said it but did you receive an ultimatum from Paul and Dwight that if Harley remains, they will cease writing pieces for you? My vote is based on how you answer that question.
The answer to that, whether it comes from Hearne or not, is yes.
i see that Harley finally decided to weigh in… and like many posts, too long to take it all in. i was bored and disinterested after a couple of sentences.
who needs that? not one statement (that i saw) showing any contrition, remorse, not one word that suggested a real person wrote it. unhinged as always.
pfffffffffffttt!!!!! let the air outta him…
WOW 153 COMMENTS IS A RECORD MINE WAS 132 ITS BROKEN HERE…GOOD STORY HEARNE…
I dunno, I think we’ve had over 200 before.
I’ll pen a followup here shortly after I unleash a blistering scoop tomo sometime
And are there any Rodney Kings out there besides the Stomper?
Over 200! What story was that?
Goose is correct I don’t think there was a 200 ever but there were several over 100.
Might’ve been a Greg Hall story or one of the controversial ones I wrote about The Star screwing over those two women on the Hunger Games layoff scandal.
Carol Burnett got 123.
Caving into a thug and giving him a column will only cost you two and possibly three good columnists, not to mention readers. Tally up the votes. Most want Harley gone, not Dwight and Paul, but that will be the end result if Harley is given a column.
Folks,there has been a serious misunderstanding here. What I proposed was that Harley be allowed to continue commenting provided Hearne knows his identity.Harley could continue to use his nomme de plume but that way if he defamed people or said viciously cruel things out of pure sadism he would know he faces consequences. I think this is a more than fair suggestion. All these comments about why people be allowed to comment anonymously miss the mark. Virtually everyone else who has done so has done it in a responsible manner. Not Harley. The solution of giving him his own column is a non-starter.He is purely reactive,i.e.he has nothing to say but only abuses others based on seething personal hatred towards people he’s never met because they do have something to say. Moreover,there is no guaranty that this will stop him from continuing to abuse other writers in his comments to their posts.He can stay but there has to be some effective check on his cruel and dangerous abuse of others.
Dwight, we’ve seen too many times that he can’t control himself and moderating his every word isn’t effective. When he write 1,000 word comments to a 600 word story, invariably something slips through the cracks because no one, including Hearne, has the ability to digest and edit every word he says. Nor should they!
Harley has made it clear in these comments, he doesn’t get it. In fact, in a story discussing his fate at KKC, what’s he do? He doubles down and re insults everyone involved. He also has made it clear he won’t meet with anyone or discus anything.
In the end, this many comments show what a lightening rod he is. It’s just not worth it to me.