Paul Davis
He’s not Sam Brownback
The best movies are those which help us make sense of the often incomprehensible situations in which we find ourselves in our daily lives…
One such move was 1990’s “The Grifters,” starring John Cusack, Annette Benning and Angelica Houston. The three principal characters are all con-artists, working their scams around various race tracks. Much of the film is devoted to their arguing among themselves who is best at the “long-con,” an elaborate scheme involving many steps and which is aimed at taking all the victims’ money, ideally without them realizing they’ve been scammed.
By contrast, the “short-con” is a one shot deal, meant to relieve the mark of the cash he or she has on them and which so lacks subtlety that they almost immediately know what’s happened. Because the results are paltry and because the trickery or deception is low grade and not particularly clever, the true con-artist rarely stoops to the “short-con.”
Paul Davis, the Democratic candidate for governor of Kansas, is definitely a “short-con” kind of guy.
Davis’s entire campaign can be summed up as, “I’m not Sam Brownback.” Asked what he’d do about the Mod-Squad inspired tax cut that has caused the state’s financial crisis, his response is that he won’t do anything to make it worse. That’s a “real profile in courage!”
To be fair, Davis is in the dilemma that virtually every Democratic politician has been in the last 40 years. As much as they rant about “giveaways to the wealthy” (i.e. letting people keep more of what they’ve earned), few will actually call for rolling back tax cuts passed by Republicans. (Clinton and Obama could easily have repealed the Reagan and Bush tax cuts in their first terms but chose not to.)
Doing so would require actual political courage, i.e. raising taxes on the middle class. (Even at a 90% marginal rate on the 1% there are not enough rich folks to put a meaningful dent in the deficit, and pay for Obamacare, and expand Medicaid, and dramatically increase social security and medicare benefits, and expand Federal aid to education, and cover a stimulus package “worthy of the name” i.e. at least two trillion dollars a year, and combat climate change through green energy, e.g. Solyndra, and create millions of jobs in “shovel ready” infrastructure projects. It would still be “fairer” though!)
The better course is to scream about “income inequality” and use it as a club to beat Republicans, rather than do anything about it.
Further evidence that Davis is only up to the short-con is his deer in the headlights response to Brownback’s attack ads. All he had to say about the Coffeyville strip club incident was that when he was young and stupid, he did stupid things. Every adult would know exactly what he was talking about and given him a free pass. Instead, he just gets himself in deeper by claiming, “My senior partner made me go in the back room with the stripper” or “It was just a law firm function.”
The Carr brothers’ ad was inevitable but Davis was equally unprepared, even though any student of Kansas politics could see this coming as soon as the Supreme Court ruled in July.
Like it or not, the Kansas Supreme Court is part of the Mod Squad/Democratic alliance opposed to Brownback. When they set aside the death sentence for the two Wichita murderers and rapists, they handed Brownback an explosive campaign issue on a silver platter. Why do liberals do this to themselves?
Why did the one justice let her husband have a Paul Davis fundraiser in their home? For that matter, why did a band of white hippies and black radicals disrupt the George Wallace rally at the American Royal building here in 1968 and play right into Wallace’s hands? (An event I witnessed as a teenager-all of Raytown and most of Lee’s Summit were there and happily beat the demonstrators to a pulp.)
The progressive/liberal mindset is so self-righteous and sanctimonious that they seemingly can’t stop themselves from political self-immolation. Keep it up, boys and girls!
Greg Orman, by contrast, has shown himself the master of the “long-con.”
He’s obviously had a lot of practice in his business career. A master of speculation, an adept of off-shore, Cayman Islands tax avoidance schemes, he leaves in his wake a trail of fleeced creditors and investors. Orman has now reinvented himself as a simple man of the people, a worthy heir to the Kansas populist tradition (And no,you can’t see his tax returns!)
While his comrade-in-arms Paul Davis avoids taking positions on most issues, Orman typically takes both sides of such issues. Illegal immigrants? He’s against amnesty but is for allowing illegal aliens – I’m sorry, “unregistered Democrats” – to stay and giving them a path to citizenship. (What’s the difference?)
Orman says he would have voted against Obamacare, is still opposed to it, but doesn’t think it should be repealed or replaced. He’s fed up with both Democrats and Republicans, but says he will caucus with whichever party is in the majority. In other words, he will sell his vote to whoever can offer him the most, i.e. the highest bidder. (He has now taken no positions whatsoever on foreign policy or national security issues but with everything going so well in the world under Obama, this is no biggie.) The more I hear Orman making stuff up as he goes along, the more I realize he reminds me of another (fictional) political candidate.
In Kansas City native Robert Altman’s 1975 movie “Nashville,” there is an independent candidate for president (running on ‘The Replacement Party” ticket), named “Hal Philip Walker.” The movie is about the fictional Walker’s campaign appearance in Nashville in his quixotic campaign for president. While we never see Walker the person in the movie, we hear his radio and televisions ads repeatedly. In the same faux folksy tone as Orman,the voice of Walker is heard delivering a series of demagogic rants about getting rid of the “Star Spangled Banner” as our national anthem because it was written by a lawyer, taxing churches, and “cracking down” on corporations (whatever that means).
These tirades all end with the bizarre query “Does Christmas smell like oranges to you?” Hal Philip Walker actually most closely resembled Ross Perot, another megalomaniac tycoon turned politico, running to assert his will and revenge himself on an Establishment that supposedly spurned him. In the scariest revelation yet about Orman, I learned that he quoted Perot in his yearbook statement his senior year at Princeton. I don’t know that I want someone as my U.S. Senator whose role model has a textbook case of narcissistic personality disorder.
I also thought about the classic depiction of American demagogic politicians in Frank Capra’s movie “Meet John Doe” and Bud Shulman’s “A Face In The Crowd.”
The protagonists in both are populists who start grass roots movements based on playing on peoples’ anxieties and resentments and themselves end up being exploited by a shadowy elite working behind the scenes. As I write this, I hear that Greg Orman is in Hollywood today, raising money among entertainment moguls and movie stars. The long-con is going on before your very eyes. So many of us are mesmerized by the deftness of the performance that we won’t realize what is happening until too late.
So……….you’re saying Orman and Davis are politicians that pander to whomever might get them elected and don’t really have any solutions to offer the electorate regarding immigration, taxes, healthcare or education? Holy cow! That certainly separates them from the pack!!! Who would ever vote for someone like that?
Now……where’s that damn sarcasm font?
Just go pull the red or blue lever, sheep. It’s what you do.
Brownback’s and Roberts’s views may be wrong-headed,worn out,reactionary-you name it,BUT you know where they stand. There’s no guile or subterfuge.What you see is what you get. From Orman,you get the tritest of platitudes about “common sense solutions” and ” pragmatic problem solving”. From Davis it’s,” I have no clue but at least I’m not Brownback! ” I’ll take the devils I know any day.
Get over yourself, Harley.
Lawsuits are public documents and many families and business partners have falling outs.
You act like you discovered the cure for cancer.
Why don’t you demonstrate how gutsy you are by setting aside your nom de plume and let us all have a peek under your lily white petticoats.
A little bit of Ann Coulter goes a long way but she did say something worth while; “‘You’re stupid !” is not an argument.” Neither is,”You’re rich!” Besides , a lot of families that are universally admired and respected get in disputes over business. Just look at the Kochs in Wichita!
don’t know if admired and respected applies.
do know that the southys are smart business people…but they’re
also tough.
get your wallet out. you’re paying for others past mistakes!!!!!
I dunno, but “I’m not Brownback” sounds like a winning campaign to me. Keep it simple…
I get where you’re coming from, Terri but…
What’s wrong with campaigning aggressively and clearly on bold ideas?
I guess it would be expected that you would take shots at the two candidates facing the incumbent republicans at the top of the ticket in Kansas next Tuesday. What would have been much more interesting would be your take on why, in an off year election that traditionally favors the party NOT in control of the White House, and in one of the reddest of red states, these two races are even close !! Kansas has a Governor that refuses to accept the reality that trickle down economics does not work. Demand for products and services is what creates jobs, not more money in the pockets of business owners. Kansas has a Senator that can’t be bothered to attend the committee hearings he should be at, or even live in the state he represents.
Roberts and Brownback ( as their political consultants correctly advised) ran ads that equated their opponents with Obama. In Kansas, Satan would win an election against Obama so the simple strategy worked.
Not to worry, D-Man, your guys should both win on Tuesday. After all, this is still Kansas.
Two teen-agers(A&B) are drag racing(not so quaint and archaic as it sounds,Justin Bieber was arrested for doing same in Miami’s South Beach last year!). A pedestrian steps out onto a cross walk and is hit and killed by Teenager A. Teenager B disclaims all responsibility for the accident,saying;”A was the one who hit him! I just ran over him while he was lying on the street!” Teenager A is Sam Brownback ,who signed the 2012 Kansas income tax cuts into law. Teenager B is John Vratil ,who drafted the bill and sent it to the governor’s desk. John Vratil and the moderate Republicans who came up with this scheme have to take responsibility for this mess. Instead,they’re throwing their support to Davis, just as they have to innumerable other Democrats(e.g.Kathleen Sebelius,Dennis Moore,etc.) over the years,and disclaiming any of the blame. Cute but not funny. Pat Roberts is just the innocent by-stander being thrown under the bus with Sam by the same moderates,even though he shares their same Old Guard GOP DNA. See Alyssa Finley of the WSJ from earlier this week for further confirmation of this view of the state of the play in Kansas.
Interesting thought process but wrong, law is law and politics is about winning at all costs. You write like there should be some fairness in politics, not so. The process is best man wins and the underdog does whatever it can to win. The kicker is some have recognized the dire straits the religious right has put the state in financially and are willing to make a change, though hiding and not really owning up is the American political way. If Hearne paid you for this drivel he did not get his money’s worth.
Another thought, if the tax cuts were meant to bring new businesses and get other’s to relocate, why have the social policies the state has, cuts to education, move your business here and your kids will be educated by third world religious fanatics, even the pope says evolution is real, god is not a magician, yet in Kansas “creation theory” is brought up again and again as being equal to the whole of the scientific process.
You and and a number of others reply to my posts in an interesting fashion. When I point out unethical behavior, I’m never challenged on the facts but am told instead that it’s just “politics”(especially if it’s by someone they support). No,it’s just dishonesty and should not be rationalized away. The jam Brownback has got himself into has nothing to do with the Religious Right but is solely based on issues of taxes and spending.Evolution has been a non-issue for fifteen years since social conservatives lost control of the State Board of Education. I am curious about the “third world”dig,though,since you folks purport to be all for diversity and multiculturalism.Finally, you really let the side down by not mentioning the Kochs and the Tea Party.(That “evolution “and” religious right” stuff is so ’90s!) As far as what Hearne pays me, I’d actually pay him for the chance to dispatch semi-literate ramblings like your own to the oblivion which they deserve. Given your inability to engage in analytic thinking and general inarticulateness,I’d hate to think you are a typical product of the Kansas educational system but, if so, it was clearly in such bad shape long before Brownback became governor that nothing he has done could do it much further harm.
Go, Dwight!
Wow a lawyer bitching about a system created by attorney’s, maintained by lawyer’s, and codified by the courts populated by lawyer’s. You have a problem with ethics in a governmental system created by lawyers, careful you will lose your key to the washroom. You are asking politicians to have higher ethics than the liars running the catholic church, not going to happen when to this day priests are diddling alter boys, when congregations decry abortion yet take millions from payday loan executives who prey on the poor. The proof is on Mission rd as the new construction rises behind St. Anne’s, the majority donated by payday loan operators, where are the ethics? The church has always taken money from the corrupt, giving a pass to the behavior that created the donation.
Brownback depends on the religious right to back his plan, because he is “pro-life” until born. Where are his christian ethics as he gives multi-million dollar subsidies to business and tells the profoundly disabled that they are now part of a profit center for another contributor to his reelection campaign, and oh yeah your services are being cut so we can “grow” jobs, yet Kansas trails the rest of the region in job growth, where are his christian ethics when it comes to simple human equality, you are equal only if you are part of his religious “ethics” written by goat herders with no real education beyond what they see over the next sand dune.
I too have problems with the lack of positional clarity from Orman and Davis, however the path Brownback/Koch is taking Kansas is straight to the shitpile. So the choice is more shit or different shit, I choose the different because doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is insane.
America works best as does business when driving down the middle of the road, compromising and working of by and for the people/customer.
I am a product of the Kansas educational system as are you, however you are are a product of the white christian male privilege system working in supposedly the protector of individual rights profession, you take an oath to uphold the laws of the land, yet you have done nothing to change the system you just bitch about those you disagree with.
Interesting projection, Stomps
Kansas Karl-I’ve criticized payday loan operators in my posts. I’ve also been unstinting in attacking the laissez faire,devil take the hindmost attitude that so many on the Right seemingly advocate.(See my “Up On Brownback Mountain,Or I just Wish I Knew How To Quit You” piece from last year.)It’s precisely because of Christian teachings,on the duty of charity in particular,that I feel this way. (Maybe that religion of ignorant goat herders has some value after all!) I’m also amused that you’ve dropped your “all’s fair in politics” and “winning isn’t everything ,it’s the only thing!” attitude when confronted by immoral behavior by those you oppose. What was that about my being naive to expect fairness in this world? I’ve fought the machine in the Republican Party for years. I’ve spent summers going door to door twelve hours a day in brutally hot weather campaigning for myself and others. I’ve given liberally of my time and money for many,many years. I’ve spent years fighting in court against a corrupt and complacent political and legal Establishment. These same people I’ve fought against for decades are using Orman and Davis as means to regain power for themselves. Brownback and Roberts will be gone in a few years. The machine created by the moderates will be around forever if they regain power.If you don’t think so consider the chain of apostolic succession somebody like Ed Eilert has rigged for himself.He’s only been in office for thirty seven-years and will pass off his current post to a successor who will undoubtedly be a moderate Republican who is currently supporting Orman and Davis. This has nothing to do with money for schools or helping the poor but everything to do with who gets the government contracts. Look how the Earth Mother of Kansas Liberalism,St. Kathleen Sebelius, tried to sell off the KU Medical Center to her cronies,with the aid of the Mod-Squad,but was only stopped thanks to the vigilance of Dolph Simons and the Lawrence Journal World. Where were all you liberals then?
Bully for you for fighting the “man”. My original comment stands, the reality created by “lawyers” is what we are living, corporations that are people, yet they can move to Ireland and legally pay no taxes as they milk consumer’s in America, I can’t so were is the equality? Your last comment says considerable about you and your attitude….Where were all you liberals then? I have never expressed liberal views, and what are liberal views? As long as you cubby hole people without real knowledge of their positions, I did call for a moderate middle of the road view on life, business and politics, but you in your restricted conservative thinking can only view me as a “liberal” because I take issue with you expecting “ethics” from politicians. They are mostly lawyers and mostly liars, just listen to the ads. Real businesses would find themselves with millions of dollars of fines if they advertised like politicians for lying and deceitful claims.
I will take a moderate government, and it seems the voters want the same, any day over either extreme.
The underlying concept of all the religions in the world is the same, personal spiritual development, yet as demostrated
got called away and hit the enter button too soon.
The underlying concept of all the religions in the world is the same, personal spiritual development, and the goat herder’s got that part right, as did many other religions, but the hate that comes with religion has caused millions of deaths.
In 1994 the Republican Party took control of Congress for the first time in forty years by labeling their opponents “liberals”. Overnight everyone who was formerly “proud to be called a liberal” became a”moderate”. The “L” word was banished from the vocabulary of all the good center-left groups like The Mainstream Coalition.Although we were told that the true hallmark of a moderate is a rejection of extremist views,whether of Right or Left, people who claim to be” moderate” only seemed to attack those on the Right.Could we have a Truth In Advertising issue here? If I was able to give you truth serum I’m sure you would have to admit that you have always voted for Democratic candidates for president and most other offices.(Your seething hostility to religion generally and the Roman Catholic Church in particular is the giveaway. You’re obviously a liberal !)By the way,why is it that those who are most outraged about gay priests in The Catholic Church are most in favor of them in the Episcopal Church? If you are so blinded by your hatred of the Religious Right that you’re willing to turn a blind eye to thievery as long as it’s done by someone who calls himself a pro-choice moderate, just admit it. Finally,your last post taunted me with the accusation that I never did anything to improve the system. When I gave you a brief summary of a forty year career,all I got was a sarcastic comment about “The Man”. As I learned the hard way in college when I tried to out-argue a Congressman’s son on politics,you should come better prepared to the next gun fight.
Davis-short con vs. Brownshirt- long con.
Roberts- long con vs. Orman- long con.
Decisions, decisions.
Anyone else smell the strong odor of horrible cologne on the Brownshirt and Roberts campaigns?
Smells like… desperation.
Happy teabagger Friday, y’all!
Why do liberals/progressive,who supposedly are so supportive of gay people,think it is the epitome of wit and sophistication to accuse their opponents of the most distasteful gay sexual practice they can think of ? This is the eleventh such cretinous remark,by the way. You should hook up with Harley,you guys have a lot in common,i.e. the IQs of monitor lizards(you’re still stuck at the pre-cordata stage of evolution).
I am not accusing you of anything sexual, just of being an idiot.
“Tea-bagging” is a sexual reference based on a practice supposedly prevalent in the gay community. Because the Tea Party also has ” tea” in its name, you make a sniggering allusion to it in your posts. It’s like the grade school kids who have fun using the name “Dick” for people they don’t like named Richard because it coincides with slang for the male sexual organ. Congratulations,you’re now operating at the sophistication level of nine year old boys. (And have been for the entire eighteen months I’ve been writing this blog!)
And a Happy Broken Record Friday to you, Mysterious!
I’m sure Dwight appreciates your scintillating opinions, H Man
I will say this to Dwight:
Along with not judging books by their covers, don’t judge readership by the comments section.
Most comments sections of broadly read publications tend to attract a certain element.
Especially those who hide behind made up names.
By far the vast majority of readers are on a higher plane and don’t engage in online comments because it’s a losing battle. At times almost like writing responses on bathroom walls.
Made up names like Calvin Sense?
Greg Orman has made millions over the years in complex stock deals and real estate partnerships.Mr. Orman now is applying his formidable “Art of the Deal” skills to his current acquisition bid for a U. S. Senate seat. His previous bid as a Democrat candidate failed in 2008.
This time, a generic Democrat , Chad Taylor, won the Democrat nomination, while Orman chose to list himself as an “Independent”. By sheer coincidence, shortly into the race, Mr Taylor chose to simply “withdraw”. No scandal, no sudden new revelation – he just “happened” to quit — leaving Orman as the lone opposition to Senator Pat Roberts – but as an “Independent” (wink,wink).
As in most Wall Street deals, few of the actual inner workings are made public, and Mr Orman has been exceedingly vague about future plans if he acquires his seat. But, he’s assured the shareholders, i.e. the citizens of Kansas, it will be in their best interest to approve his complex acquisition bid…err… in the old school lingo.. to just — “Vote for Me!”
How about his endorsement by a once prominent conservative Republican state representative, Eric Carter? According to Orman’s financial disclosure form, we now know that he lent Carter a considerable sum of money(somewhere between $15,000 and $50,000,the broad range which is all that the form requires). Talk about calling in your IOU’s! The last time a mysterious millionaire with this kind of sketchy past rose to prominence here was in 1976.A transplanted Texan named Morgan Maxfield ran as a conservative Democrat for the congressional seat now held by Sam Graves in north-western Missouri and was well on his way to victory. The Star decided to do a number on him and raised so many doubts that a Republican was actually elected to the seat for the first time. The Star has gotten much more partisan since then and poor Maxfield’s transgressions look pretty minor compared to what Orman has been up to. ( Maxfield exaggerated his accomplishments, more than anything else.)A sad footnote-Maxfield was flying back to Kansas City in his own plane several years after the election. His engine cut out over KCK and he could have put the plane down on the grounds of a school. He steered the plane past there to spare the lives of children at the school and fatally crashed a half a mile away. No remorse or regret on the part of those great folks down at the Star, of course,that they had trashed the guy’s character,which turned out to be a lot better than those of the ethical nullities that then and now comprise the Star Editorial Board.
The give and take on this thread has been pretty lofty and articulate. It’s time for me to weigh in.
Morgan Maxfield used to come see me where I worked back in 1979. Nice guy, what I really remember was he always had the hottest chicks with him.
p.s. The article was ok, but I like the way D.S. got all up in some “grills”. Very nice.
The last time Kansas had a Democrat Governor, she packed the Kansas Supreme Court. It was the Kansas Supreme Court that ruled a law is not really s law, if it was not enforced equally in the past, so the law prohibiting a candidate from just dropping off the ballot at the last minute, saying he or she was incapable of serving is really unenforceable. Also, that section of the law requiring the party to name a new candidate is also not enforceable. Perhaps, it is time for judges to be impeached. They swore an Oath to the Kansas Constitution and the laws of Kansas. Defending themselves in front of a Legislature, in public, might be interesting.
“Kansas Karl”weighed in with words to the effect that “Law is law,but politics are politics”. Unless you’re in Kansas,where the law is politics and politics are the law. The rule allowing a candidate to withdraw if he or she is unable to serve is meant to cover illness,disability or some family emergency like the death of a spouse. It’s not meant to allow you to go on and off the ballot as a tactic for your side to win an election. The tone of the questioning by the justices during the hearings before the Kansas Supreme Court on this matter shows their blatant partisanship.
If Kansas re elects Brownback they deserve what they get. How long until an entire state has to declare bankruptcy?
Harry-I can’t tell you much I appreciated your comment. You actually addressed an issue in my post,rather than made a personal ad hominem attack. There is no serious risk of the State of Kansas going bankrupt first of all.What needs to happen(whoever is elected) is that the legislature needs to revisit the 2012 tax legislation and fix it by stripping out the loopholes. The original intent was to broaden the tax base by widening what was considered taxable income.The lower tax rates are already in place but what happened two years ago was putting the cart before the horse.(First you broaden the base,then you lower the rates.)That way you can undo the sabotage by the moderate leadership,which meant for the tax cuts to fail. Next,after you’ve eliminated two thirds of the deficit in this fashion,you need to get serious about holding the line on spending. The Kansas Policy Institute has a detailed blueprint setting all this out. There is ample precedent for this kind of approach from Reagan’s first term. The 1981 tax cut had been loaded up with all sorts of loopholes,exemptions, etc. by special interest groups. The net year the Congress and the Administration came back and cleaned it up. Kansas should do the same with the 2012 tax law to take out the poison pills put in by the GOP moderate leadership. Problem solved !
allfine and dandy…but all your b.s. will never get done.
not with brownback. He’s destined to make his experiment
appear to work. Hpefully come Tuesday he’s unemployed (or actually January)…..don’t know if the repubs have the
balls to vote this crackpot money bught and sold governor.
Look Harley, if you’ve got something halfway intelligent to say, bring it.
But I’m not going to allow you to make shallow, unfounded character assassinations here – over and over and over – just because you’ve got too much time on your hands and zero self control.
Wow. I step away for a day ( busy day at the football park ) and missed some great back and forth. Some great comments.
Dwight, I do admire your high expectations for ethical behavior from politicians. Reading your thoughts and the comments of others make me realize how much I have lowered the bar in my standards and I’m sad it has come to that. I’d love to be able to vote for a candidate that had impeccable morals and ethics AND shared my general view on the role of government, but it seems like that combination isn’t available anymore. If I have to accept a flawed person in order to get compatibility on the perspective, then that’s what I have to do. To me, the stakes are too high. I’ll admit I’m a hypocrite. We all are.
So much more I’d like to respond to from comments above but I’m too far behind. The historical reference to Morgan Maxfield was great. Hadn’t heard or read that name in decades.
Don’t take the criticism too personally, Dwight. When we talk about politics and religion, it’s to be expected. You like small government and I don’t. That’s all it is when I comment.
Keep up the contributions.
This thread, this beautiful, passionate and heartfelt give and take, between folks with opposing views, is what makes this blog a lapidary for political discourse in this city.
Hats off to Kansas Karl and D.S. in one of the best heavyweight fights I have seen here in this room.
No sh*t mutherf*chers, it was like Gettysburg, expected, but not now, not here and when finally engaged, terrible in all it’s portent.
The “Center” is not holding Dwight. While I agree in lock step with almost everything D.S. writes, our American future, seems at this point similar to Dali’s “Ivention of Monsters”, a premonition of war. Our intratable differences have never been more salient and Pat Buchanan’s calls for secession have never seemed more reasonable.
I want Kansas Karl to be happy, but I don’t want my family to languish and slave to pay for the world that Liberals are creating with pen and phone. An America that is “Built on Guilt” and transubstantiates historical wrongs into a sisyphean economic crucible that kills our future by the way of shaming and destroying our Judeo/Christian ethos in a 24/7 paroxysm of Political Correctness.
I don’t feel guilty about one fu*king thing.
Damn it I love Chuck!!! (and, of course, the “professor” DS)….Chuck, when you have decided where you are going to build your next nest, let me know…I’m there with you!