The No. 1 man in law enforcement says it’s OK to not enforce laws banning same-sex marriage if the laws discriminate in a way forbidden by the Constitution…
Speaking to the National Association of Attorneys General, Attorney General Eric Holder said that any decision not to defend individual laws in court must be “exceedingly rare” and reserved for “exceptional circumstances.” He indicated that legal challenges to gay marriage bans would qualify as such a circumstance.
I hate the term “slippery slope” but who’s to say what circumstance is worthy of not enforcing the law? Who has the authority to decide? This is a law, are we ok with the AG freelancing his personal beliefs over his oath? His reasoning, this time, is because he feels its discriminatory; I totally agree, but it’s still a law.
IMHO Holder’s job is to enforce the law.
Who’s to say what the NEXT reason not to enforce a law will be? Once you establish the precedence that law enforcement is optional if you feel it’s an “exceptional circumstance” whats exceptional next time around.
A few years back, Holder placed his hands on a Bible and repeated the words, as all those who came before him have; “I, Eric Holder, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So
help me God”
Conservative writer Ed Whelan, president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and outspoken critic of gay marriage, says “State Attorneys General are obligated to defend state marriage laws,” adding “It’s unfortunate and outrageous that Attorney General Holder doesn’t understand that, but it’s hardly surprising.”
Speaking out on behalf of the court striking down Virginia’s gay marriage band, Adam Umhoefer, executive director of the American Foundation for Equal Rights said: “Loving gay and lesbian couples and their families should not have to live one more day as second-class citizens under unjust laws,” he said in a statement.
Owens
Then on the heels of Holder’s speech the Coalition of African American Pastors – already more than a little testy over this being treated as a “civil rights” issue – which disagreed strongly. Rev. Bill Owens went on to say the White House use of the civil rights movement to press for same-sex marriage laws was indefensible.
“It’s a disgrace that Obama has stood on the shoulders of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr.,” Owens said, “I detest them calling this a civil rights movement. It’s not a civil rights movement. It’s a civil wrongs movement.”
The CAAP claims the Obama administration are Uncle Tom sellouts, bowing to pink pressure on the issue.
“If Obama was a white man, he would be impeached,” said Owens. “Obama has been given a free pass to do what he pleases, but I don’t give him a pass. I’m very black, been black all my life. He doesn’t get a pass. I don’t give him a pass.”
A Clay Chastain style petition is floating around, seeking Holder’s impeachment.
“He will go down in history as the worst attorney general,” said Owens told The Hill.
To date, fewer than 100 have signed on to the petition.
Look, we may disagree with gay marriage ban laws – I disagree with them – but what flood gates do we open when the United States AG can give a pass on enforcing local laws on a random basis.
Today, we don’t really care, it’s just them that gays.
Tomorrow, it may be you.
What could possibly go wrong when Law Enforcement decides which laws are Constitutional?
I think the Tax Code is discriminatory in many ways. It should not be enforced.
Anybody see a problem?
Oh, but Mark, you misunderstand; this is ONLY to be done on a selective basis, when its found offensive…. but who ever determines whats offensive at the time. Perfectly sound reasoning, nothing could ever go wrong here…
I find taxes on my labor offensive and the constitution agrees but the thug IRS cares not.
You know how these political types are, Paul-give them an inch, and they’ll steal a mile.
here I go again..having to school a fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the procedure has beenset up…what areyou writing about ?????
in Arizona the p.o.s. legislatures passed a bill that was discriminatory.
lets be honest…it was discriminatory!
we can argue specifics but it was discriminatory…and even the republicans
who passed it said it would probably not pass court challenge.
the process says the governor can sign or veto.
she vetos…end of the bill… for now!!!!!!
if she signs the bill then the courts decide….and probably eventually
the supreme court would have decided this case and as we know
THEY ARE VERY LIBERALL (JOKE!).
HOLDER DID NOTHING IN THIS CASE….SAME WITH
VIRGINIA…AND NOW TEXAS….THE PROCESS WILL DECIDE…JUST
LIKE THE JUDGE STRUCK DOWN THE TEXAS BAN.
so yourstory starts out with attacking holder…but moves into an
attack on Obama by black pastors who don’t agree with the gay rights
issue being compared to the civil rights issue. and your right wing nuts
swing and you quote this pastor assaying Obama should be impeached.
FOR YOUR INFORMATION MR. WILSON….ag’s have decided for
years whether to do these things. Where the f*ck have you been??????????????
But the course is pretty simple and it follows the pattern.
Holders right…why should state ag’s agree with something unconstitutional..?
as holder said…IF I WAS AG IN KANSAS IN 1953 WOULD I PROTECT
SEPARATE BUT EQUAL……
this story is cut and paste from fox news and breitbart…
hearne..can we please get some original thinkers with an understanding
of what they’rev alkig about?????????????
if a lawis discriminatory…no matter who it discriminates against….
why is it defended when the constitution states and the courts could say
its discriminatory.
and now….economic power is coming to the forefreont….this ho inarizona
sawit…..the restof the states will see it…..if you discriminate….intel/nfl/
google/yelp/travel and tourism industry will bring you to your knees!!!!!!!!!
we don’t need a constitution…let those states that steal most from the feds
in comparison to what they pay take note….discrimination will not be
tolerated…
again Wilson….you’re not a constitutional attorney….please please stop!!!!!!!!!!!
Harley, I don’t care if you selectively like the law or not; here’s my position. This isn’t about discrimination, its about the law of the land.
Here’s my response to your question; I don’t have to be a Constitutional lawyer, even a dolt like you can do the math on this one, Mr Law4Life;
Read his Oath+Read his Comment on selective law enforcement = FAIL
That’s all you need to know. Maybe you think THIS law is discriminatory. Guess what, I do too. What about the next one? “I’m taking special exception to Jews…… and in THIS case, I’m telling you the law doesn’t have to be upheld.”
Whaaaaa? That couldn’t happen? Sure could. Who defines whats overlooked on that “selective” basis. You’re smarter than that, law boy….. so until you can write a cohesive response, please, please…. stop.
you are the failure…not holder.
read his articles…and his statements and stop trying
to play perry mason.
ag’s of all sides of the aisle have done this…where
were you in 2004/2005/2006…..this has been done
by ag’s since you were born in 1948….
don’t blow smoke trying to tag one ag for this type
of selective reasoning..
get real….you’re talking too much with our friend
chuckles the sad clown….
read something other than your breitbart and understand
what holder does has beeb done since you were a baby
in diapers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not Mr. Holder’s first “Pen and Phone” moment. He has gleefully testified in front of Congress, that he will NOT prosecute black on white Hate Crimes, only white on black Hate Crimes. The thousands of victims of “The Knock Out Game”? Nope, they were white. Alan West, surely the bravest black man on earth said this after the DOJ brought charges against the ONLY known white perp of the Knock Out Game in history.
“So does Eric Holder’s inaction regarding previous crimes involving blacks attacking whites actually reflect his own hate crime? I look at the vigilance by which Attorney General Holder went after the Civil Rights voting statute decision of the Supreme Court and State voter ID laws — yet he said nothing about the clear instance of voter fraud perpetrated in 2012 by Ohio poll worker Melowese Richardson — who voted several times for herself and relatives and was unapologetic in doing so.
The real question behind the decision to prosecute Mr. Barrett is not his actions, but rather the perception of an even more heinous double standard emanating from the Obama administration’s Department of Justice under Eric Holder – sure seems like it’s being used as a platform for the progressive socialist version of social justice.”
Eric Holder is not just a disgrace to his office and the president who appointed him, he is symbolic of the politicization of the Federal Government all across the spectrum from the IRS to the EPA . The actual Constitutional Rule Of Law dictated by the will of the people is subverted by the manipulation of a cause celebre picked from the liberal media’s profferings to the bread and circus New Demograhic in order to excite the base and secure political power.
Actual scandals that destroy the underpinnings of the confidence Americans should have in the unbiased application of the law to toff and peasant alike are ignored by the 4th estate, encouraged by the New Demographic and celebrated by the criminal officials guilty of the crimes with a wink and a nod to liberal constituents. This Attorney General is the most embarrassing disgrace to his office since John Mitchell. The difference being, Mitchell at least had the decency to know his malfeasance was illegal. This nefarious campaign by the President and Attorney General to shift the balance of power from the legislative and judicial branches of government to the executive now that the Democrats have achieved sinecure in that office by way of the “vote for a living” New Demographic, portends a bleak future indeed for American tradition and traditional Americans.
Eric Holder is a soldier in our army.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430
for chr*sts sake….did chuck put on his hood again to write that trash????????????
more lies in that comment than all the comments on kcc….
love the way he mentions the “new demographic” with such vile emotions….
hate…hate…hate….a terrible emotion to carry in your heart…but for
chuckles the sad clown…THATS ALL HE KNOWS!!!!!!!!!
even jesus would be embarrassed by what this man writes and spews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah…, that’s not too embarrassing, but I will tell you what is embarrassing, your ownership of a diploma from MU’s School of Journalism.
Money, a great deal of it, had to change hands.
oh my god…a woman voted twice…whats that .00000000000006% of the
vote in ohio…oh my god….lets take away everyone’s righto vote…cage them…
your writings prove you are off your lazy boy rocker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh…and the police/fed/fbi never arrest any other than whites…can you
believe what this guy says…
jesus is crying when he reads your hate…your vile comments….he is crying!!!!!!!!!!!
Harley, I love you man, and if nothing else, you are entertaining. You challenge me daily as I try to make my way through the sea sick syntax and determine what you said vs. what you mean, if there’s any true meaning at all. The problem is, you’re walking perilously close to Joseph Goebbels and his term, the “big lie.”
Goebbels wrote in the article titled, translated “From Churchill’s Lie Factory,”
“The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”
You’ve stuck to the endless, “Harley’s always right” big lie to the point of ridiculous. You rest on your laurels for such sooth saying as “Obama will win” and “the sun will rise tomorrow” while bypassing error after error, like the above pointed out, IRS scandal, alive and well on this mornings news. A story you attempted to chastise me for, stating it wouldn’t live past the end of May. Its March, she’s looking for IMMUNITY!
Just give it a rest. You’re worth the reading, sometimes its better unintentional humor than you could find at Craig’s joint. But as for perpetuating the lie that you’re always right, hoping we will all believe it, well, that ship has sailed off into the dark, still night. Just enjoy your roll here for what it is, our official KCC Pinata, and let it go at that.
Your friend, hugs and kisses in a flaming heterosexual manner,
Paul
PS I’ll now sit back and await your rebuttal, which will be an attack from deep, left field, with no basis in fact or addressing anything I just said. It’ll be reminiscent of another Mohammad Ali-esque, “float like a butterfly, avoid facts like an Obama Cabinet Member in front of Congress…”
irs scandal…they still trying to beat that down on fox
news……haveyoureadthat they investigated left wingers
too.
just so happens all the illegal action was done on the
repub side of the deal.
again…I’m getting tired of schooling you….
have fun on your vacation!
Eric Holder had the FBI investigate me for my conservative views.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/24/eric-holder-signed-doj-affidavit-fox-reporter-repo/?page=all
Eric doesn’t call, he doesn’t write, what do I have to do???????
Oh, Lois, shut the hell up! Theres no story here, it died two weeks after it broke, HARLEY SAID SO when he told me what an idiot I was talking about the IRS scandal. Oh, I noticed you were on TV this morning, as I ate my Continental breakfast here in Warrensburg. You said you would testify on the IRS issue IF you got immunity? What could you possibly need immunity for? Harley said NOTHING HAPPENED, there’s no story there, it will never be anything. Its been over since Memorial Day, according to him.
I don’t understand you asking for immunity. If you need it, Harley is WRONG! AGAIN!
First wrong, the story lasted past the last week of May. What is this? March, almost? Second Harley FAIL… you want IMMUNITY? Hmmmmm
willy…hows that free breakfast at caseys….you like that
pizza huh?
irs scandal…please….you’re boring these polksters
here at kcc.
canwe please move on.
bengazi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
aca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
irs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if all you old white seniors spent as much time on a
treadmill as you spent watch Hannity and bull oreilly
you might live past 70!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/eric-holder-makes-case-for-felons-to-get-voting-rights-back/2014/02/11/b0556492-932b-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
How is this any different than the AG (by order of the POTUS) refusing to prosecute any person or business in the states where marijuana has been legalized but still runs contrary to federal law? I don’t hear anyone screaming about how this clear violation of federal law being ignored is outrageous or threatens the constitution.
Good point.
I don’t care about the gays or hippies. I am ok with both groups.
Still, Paul is right, the law is the law.
you don’t care about gays or hippies…you hate
everyone chuck….get over it!!!!!!
jesus would slap you for the hate you spew!!!!!!! disgusting
Oh, Jim, you’re such an alarmist! Go see Harley’s post, until you’re a Constitutional lawyer, please stop commenting. We have no room here for common sense, real time answers to real issues facing our country and constitution. You just need to be a guilt ridden apologist for the cause.
You’re thinking to much. Hope and change, baby, repeat that daily and enjoy you’re life. And burn down a big fatty for me, while you’re at it.
My apologies, Paul. No room on this blog for silly things like common sense, succinct thoughts or a reasoned argument. Who has time for that kind of nonsense? We all know the world is black and white. Shades of grey? Pfffft. What idealogue worth a damn would dare see a world with that color on their palette. Blasphemy!!
Thank you! Now that you’ve been corrected, put in your place and enjoying a big fatty….
Love me some JIM!
nope…got in state tuition and a large scholarship from
donrey media….
writing is not about grammar/spelling….the idiotson
here might be good spellers or know correct grammar but
chuck and Wilson are wrong all the time with their
racist/over the top lack of anything in the real world.
You answered your own question in the article. Yes the AG took an oath to support & defend the Constitution of the United States, however as you mentioned in the article, gay marriage bans are unconstitutional. It does not matter if it’s the law or not. Think about what your asking the AG to do- support a law that is patently unconstitutional. That makes no sense whatsoever. This is a stupid wedge issue designed to distract Americans from real issues. If a person’s religious views are that gay marriage is wrong, that’s fine. That’s their prerogative. Stop forcing those views on everyone else. Seems to me, to be the very definition of religous persecution the right always seems to be howling about.
Well, when you come up with a well-reasoned argument, let me know. You have such a gift for missing the point. What I see are cherry-picked quotes and Alex Jones black helicopter screed about an Attorney General dealing (effectively or ineffectively) with a rash of stupid, cowardly laws that don’t even have the stones to state their real intent. Then there is a total non sequitur about the prosecution of black on white hate crimes.
The laws in question are of late and shoddy manufacture and only enacted to scrape a few votes together for a dying Republican party and a crippled conservative movement whose only sad hope for survival is to appeal with dog-whistles to the lowest common denominator. These laws seem to last a few minutes on average before being vetoed, sometimes by the state governors.
These cowardly laws are by definition unconstitutional and frivolous. They failed at the national level, and most common sense people realize that they have a short lifespan at any level. But to please those who want their prejudices enshrined in law, we would have to enforce laws against spitting on the sidewalk or kissing on Tuesday.
Surely there are better ways into a critique of Holder.
Sorry, not meant as a reply.
Paracelsus, do you watch the news? This man was hired by and reports to a Consitutional Lawyer/Professor/President and could possibly be the most corrupt person to ever hold the office. I’m swamped today, but left me just leave a tid bit or two.
Holder’s decision to release classified Justice Department memos on the CIA terrorist interrogation program and reopen criminal investigations into the conduct of CIA interrogators over the objections of five CIA directors, including Leon Panetta?
Holder’s order to read Christmas Day bomber Umar Farouk AbdulWhatEver a Miranda warning after just 50 minutes of questioning – an order the attorney general gave without even consulting chief intelligence or national security officials.
Holder and White House counsel Greg Craig convinced the president to announce the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay by January 2010 without examining the feasibility of doing so? The President missed the deadline AND Guantanamo remains open; the administration has given up hope of closing it.
Holder’s attempt to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotters in federal court in New York City, a decision alone, at 1 a.m., while eating Chips Ahoy cookies at his kitchen table.
Overroding the Justice Department’s guidelines for subpoenaing reporters; recused himself from the case but doesn’t seem to have kept a written record of the recusal?
“Fast and Furious?”
Withdrawing a lawsuit against the New Black Panther Party for violations of the Voting Rights Act?
That’s all I can cut and paste from the Scribe file, right now… but I rest my case.
Inept, corrupt, failure. Makes the former Missouri Governor cum AG look good and that takes some work….
I do watch the news, but it’s not FOX, and I don’t consider myself entitled to my own facts. I applaud your cuts-and-pastes. They at least provide the beginning of a real critique, although you’re basically quoting yourself. It’s a start. You might have mentioned something about Holder’s record on electronic surveillance, but anyway.
What fails is your entire case based on the matter at hand. Pick another battle, one that makes sense for someone not fully aboard the anti-Obama bandwagon. You’ve put yourself in the position of saying the Attorney General must defend any law at all, even those that are silly, easily overturned, and widely judged unconstitutional. Is this really your position? Blind adherence and enforcement of any law that silly and desperate state legislatures cobble together?
What seems to offend you in this case is the use of executive power by executives. You might have just typed, “Criminy, but I don’t like that rascal Holder,” made a point of the same overall value as your post, and saved yourself some effort.
“I hate the term “slippery slope” ”
And, yet, you have written an article based on a slippery slope fallacy.
“Speaking to the National Association of Attorneys General, Attorney General Eric Holder said that any decision not to defend individual laws in court must be “exceedingly rare” and reserved for “exceptional circumstances.” He indicated that legal challenges to gay marriage bans would qualify as such a circumstance.”
With this quote, you have basically demolished your own argument of “Tomorrow, it may be you.” If courts start throwing out laws and state amendments, specifically after legal challenges, because it is determined by those courts that those laws and state amendments violate the U.S. Constitution, then I think you have an “exceptional circumstance” don’t you? I don’t think we have to worry about the incoming fascism that you seem to indicate will be coming for me.
“Today, we don’t really care, it’s just them that gays.”
I am for equal protection under the law. Therefore, I do care that unconstitutional laws are being thrown to protect gay citizens. I think it’s what our judicial branch is supposed to do.
I get your point, but we can’t randomly support laws based on our own personal bias. Like I said, it doesn’t affect you today, but what about when it goes the other direction?
you mr. Wilson don’t get it.
why would an ag stand behind an unconstitutional
law (besides the idiots in Kansas)….
eventually the law gets thrown out (like laws recently
in Virginia/texas/ and a dozen other states) by
not ag’s….but courts.
its the process Wilson….answer the question holder
presented….
and if you think this is the first or last time this
has been done…you are a fool on the hill!!!!!
Well, I’m with H on this point…
Holder isn’t wholesale suggesting state AGs ignore laws. But a since the constitution is the higher law and it’s clear that discriminatory laws like the ones outlawing gay marriage are unconstitutional, my take is he’s merely opening the door for people to use common sense.
There are many laws that are loosely or not enforced only rarely.
Jaywalking comes to mind.
admin gets the Harley common sense of the
day award.
now hearne…wheresthe jewelry thief?
where the old lady with the phony
diamond in her piece…
Where do you want to limit “common sense?” Who’s common sense do you want to trust. What if it affects you, but my common sense disagrees? Same ole point, if its a law, its a law; thats my point.
As a pagan and a heathen, I wonder what in the wide-world-of-sports is the government involved in marriage at all? That is up to some church to perform their rituals and too important for government to be involved. Religion and government together is like giving whiskey and a Cobra to a 16-year-old.
Perhaps you will explain to us, Paul, how the Supreme Court decision invalidating the removal of the Indian Nations east of the Mississippi by force. How was that law of the land handled?
Cue Sonny & Cher, The Beat Goes On
Orphan, nothing I enjoy more than seeing you pop up on here because it always brings food for thought, regardless of the story line.
If you want my opinion, there are no peoples on the face of the planet the pale face has abused more than the Native Americans. I’m reminded of the poster of the 4 Indian Chiefs, side by side, arms crossed and the caption;
Ask US about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION….
The black community wants reparations? There isn’t anything much worse than slavery. I think we can all agree to that. Not side stepping those sins, but the African American finds himself in a land where more freedoms and opportunity is afforded them than if they would have spent 5 generations growing up in the mother land. Again, that’s no excuse for anything, but at the same time, blacks over look the damage done to them by their own people when they were sold into slavery. Its not all the white mans sin, likely 90%, however.
Compare and contrast the plight of the Native American. While more and more programs and benefits have been made available to the black man, the Indian has been increasingly marginalized; his land raped for Casinos is about the only positive thing we can even make up that we’ve “done” to “better” their plight.
You’ll get no argument from me…. we could not go far enough to “reparate” what we’ve done to them and it’s a sin I’m not sure we will be forgiven for, pagan or saint.
They are playing a game. They are playing at not
playing a game. If I show them I see they are, I
shall break the rules and they will punish me.
I must play their game, of not seeing I see the game.
RD Laing
http://www.oikos.org/knotsen1.htm
the more you write.the more the real “thinkers” on
kcc make you look like a foolish old man.
go read the acts of previous ag/s……go find one that
did not do the same thing holder is doing.
FOOLS LIKE YOU HAVE THICK SKULLS….
takethat racist baiting you have ….and the hate you
spew over to tony’s site.
DID YOU READ WHAT CHICKLES THE SAD CLOWN
SAID ABOUT THE TAXI DRIVER IN THE BRUNO
CASE DOWNTOWN…GO READ IT AT TONYS….
NOT ONLYIS THIS DISGUSTING…BUT ITS OUTRAGEOUS!
wislon….again you make stupid comments with no facts…
“his land raped for casinos”…..how stupid aremark
is that? are youserious….”raped”
you must be hanging with chuckles the hater again.
Exactly Orphan, exactly.
Hearne, please? This is a great site for local and regional issues, please keeps the national political rants off, there are millions of others websites and TV and talk radio shows for them.
James, I apologize, I’ll pass on national issues from now on. Or… when you come to the headline and see it’s bleeding across state lines, you could just move on to something more relevant for you. I don’t do national stuff too often, just when I know I can ruffle a few feathers….
Sorry it wasn’t your cup of tea.
Paul; Interesting piece. Can’t really argue with your perspective but, as a bleeding heart leftist, Hearne pays me a lot of money each month to bring my socialist projectile word vomiting act to KCC in an effort to counteract the conservative, Obama hating rhetoric spewed regularly by you, Dwight, Chuck, and your minons. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Got to earn my paycheck.
First, a reading assignment to set some parameters. http://www.justice.gov/olc/nonexcut.htm
Had to smile with a few of your points. Using Reverend Bill Owens to give your argument credibility???? Wow. Implying that a politician putting their hand on the Bible, swearing to uphold the Constitution, and then maybe falling short is news??? Got to believe that list is the size of a big city phone directory. ( Does anyone under 25 even know what a city phone directory is? Sorry, bad example). And then there is the priceless statement by Chuck that , as bad as John Mitchell was, he “at least had the decency to know his malfeasance was illegal”. Oh, ok, that makes it acceptable. No need for you to serve any jail time, John. Seriously Chuck ???
Paul, thanks for tossing this topic out there. I’ll need one less cup of caffiene today.
Did I earn my paycheck here, Hearne???
🙂 🙂
All good points, Stomper. I dont even mind being thrown under the bus by you. I had ONE and only ONE point. Where are we, when our chief law dude can determine, for what ever reason, which laws will be followed and which wont? Its not black helicopter stuff to me, its the genesis for every good story. Sell them on the little things, its ok for THIS reason…. but before we know it, how many OTHER laws can be over looked for whos or what reason?
If a law is bad, defeat the law. If a law is discriminatory, deal with it. There is NO POSSIBLE GOOD that can come from us, at any time, simply deciding this law doesnt need to be obeyed for the following reasons.
Today, it may not affect you and me, so we really dont care.
But what if NEXT time…. it hits home? Who’s going to defend you then?
Thanks Paul. I assume you read the linked article. I’m not so naive to think that makes it right but those who think that laws are all black and white, and that politics and politicians are all ethical, moral, and act completely above board, well, that ship sailed over 200 years ago in this country.
” I earned capital in the political campaign and I intend to spend it” G.W. Bush , 2004
“It’s good to be the king” Mel Brooks/King Louis XVI, History of the World, Part I
Paul, I would never throw you under the bus. I just can’t resist commenting. Keep up the great production.
Stomper, John Mitchell did 19 months in prison for his involvement in Watergate.
Holder’s crimes are more numerous and in my opinion, more serious.
Mitchell was also multi-talented. Approved unconstitutional wiretaps, prosecuted anti-war protesters, Pentagon Papers, perjury, etc. etc. Plus, his wife Martha was a delight.
What? Nothing about me? I feel like Rodney Dangerfield.
Holder is in comtempt of Congress more than Harley is in contempt on this blog. I am on the phone constantly with my buddy, “IRS Scandal”. “IRS Scandal” was so freaked out when Holder squirmed like the weasel he is in front of Congress. I said, “Look “IRS Scandal”, if your boy slides by a dunderheaded scheme to supply Drug Cartel members with free automatic weapons to kill Americans and increase transportation of drugs over a border he is trying to eliminate while polls show Americans hate the idea, then for Chrissakes, show some backbone, he will blow on by this latest scandal faster than Beena through an 8Ball.
So, Holder is a boob, I agree on that point wilsun.
What are your views on the wonderful past AGs Reno, the ex-singing guv Ahscroft and Gonzales? The architects that have enabled the police state we live in today?
Holder seems to hold about the same company as these cretins, what makes him any worse than them?
Don’t forget John Mitchell, Edwin Meese, a stellar list of past office holders spans parties. Forget which one was a bootlegger too.
EXACTLY…ORPHAN AND DUDE…
Wilson doesn’t get it…he’s smelling too much spray
paint!
he doesn’t understand that this has been done from the
time he rocked in a cradle.
nothing new here Wilson….as ev3eryone on here has
noted its politics…its both sides….so again you write
a story that is not just a few years late…but
is half a century late!!!!
please stop….the attention to facts that you fail to
provide….you lack of any knowledge of history in this
case….what are you doing?????? please stop making
a fool of yourself.
you have a reputation to uphold in Chillicothe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Folks, haven’t you learned anything? Only Democrats can do wrong, be corrupt, be incompetent, or be partisan shills. Please forget the inconvenient examples you cite; they threaten to cloud the beautiful screed with something approaching logic.
A big shout out to my man Eric, thanks bro for the pardon.
I’m reposting this because it has to be an all time GREAT “Harleyism.”
“writing is not about grammar/spelling…”
In related news;
Doctor’n ain’t bout sick people.
Plumbing got nothin to do with hot on the left, cold on the right and Harley’s writing won’t run up hill!
Being a auto mechanic’s got nothing to do with broke cars.
Arborist’s don’t haveta know bout trees.
Just because you comment often and by total word count don’t mean you said nothin worth hearin………OK, that ones true.
He’s partially right about that. It’s not his terrible spelling, grammar or syntax that keeps me from reading his posts it’s his brutal stupidity. Spelling can be fixed easily, bad ideas take more work.
Expat for the win! It’s like the old line, I may be fat, but you’re UGLY, and I can lose weight!
Thanks for adding clarity, as usual.
Wilson…you and expat and the rest of your gang have never once used
data/facts/legal opinions/true stats to dispel a single fact or
point I have ever made.
If you disagree…get some facts expat or chuckles the sad clown…
show some data or numbers to debate what I say.
you can’t…and that’s what makes you look like freaking idiots
on here….show some intelligence…show some actual data to
prove me wrong..
you can’t…because Harley is right.
instead of trying to attack the right messenger…show us some
intelligence in your posts….maybe do some research.
your attacks on my spelling/grammar are just ways of hiding
the fact that you know nothing about everything.
put up or shut up.
I made points about previous cases…the law…the previous ag’s..
and not one of you idiots had anything to disprove me and my
points….
you’re nothing but fools…the emails I get prove it….yet youall
read everything I write…especially willy…who can quote everything
I’ve said/written over the last 2 years…
bring it on boys….lets see you take on Harley…
you can’t…your lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hearne; I’m the first to admit that I’m slow and it takes me a while to catch stuff. However, I’ve noticed something here for some time now, on a variety of posts by different contributors and thought I’d ask for some confirmation. Maybe Paul or Chuck could confirm as well. Whenever my good friend Chuck offers an opinion, his name appears in a color other than black ( like the rest of us) and underlined. Here it appears in purple. On occasion, when certain other contributors surface, their name also is purple and underlined. In this post, there are a number of others ( Marc Rich, Fast and Furious, Felons Always Vote Democratic, Lois Lerner, James Rosen, Jesus, and Black Panthers). I’m going to go out on a limb here and offer that Chuck is gaming us here. I’ve got a number of different personalities hiding in my psyche as well and I need to let them out. I figure all the rest of the regulars here have long known this and I’m late to the party. Well played Chuck !!!
Spooky
check it out I’m testing if I’m blue now that I have filled in the optional “website” field
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