Here we go again…
It really doesn’t matter who the President is, or whatever party that person may belong to. The one constant that remains – from basically Woodrow Wilson on – is that the occupant of the White House will be a WHORE to the Banksters and a BITCH for the defense contractrors.
How else do you explain the current “Nobel Peace Prize” winning current “Leader of the Free World” and his completely INSANE march towards war in Syria?
Especially given the actual evidence of this chemical weapons attack on civilians shows that it was probably perpetrated by the “Rebels”- better know as Al Qaeda – who for those with short memories is, was and always will be the sworn enemies of the West. It was an attack against their own people in order to dupe the United States into becoming their air force in their fight to overthrow brutal Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad.
Even the “Bloody Brits” voted to sit this one out.
Sure W was a warmonger, but he’s got nothing on Obama when it comes to starting wars. At least in Iraq Bush got the consent of the U.S. Congress, The United Nation Security Council and rallied the support of the American People. Even though he did lie about weapons of mass destruction. At least he went through the motions. Not Barry though.
Obama’s ready to potentially start World War Three without so much as having congress vote on the use of force, taking the case to the United Nations, let alone the American people (and the poll I saw showed that a WHOPPING 9% of the Americans support the use of force in Syria).
But who cares?
As long as Obama must save face because of his “Red-Line” comment that if chemical weapons were used in the civil war the United States would use force against Assad.
Pay no mind that Russia is against military action in Syria and has equipped the Assad
Regime with its most advanced anti-ship missile the “Sunburn,” which our own Navy admits we have no defense against. Or that China – proud owners of our debt laden credit cards – is also against this.
And for good measure, Iran has threatened to attack Israel– which will DEFINITELY get WW3 into full swing if that happens.
The thing I’m most disturbed about though is that the SAME Democrats that were wisely against Bush’s stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are now cheerleaders to go to war in Syria.
Once again that shows that there are no morals and convictions within the Beltway,
just the raw lust for power and blind partisanship.
Gosh. I don’t know where this story went off track, but it sure did. I CLEARLY heard our President say;
“I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals.”
You didn’t watch that speech? I sure did.
All he was going to have to do was use his superior, intellectual powers and simply “talk” to these people.
You didn’t see that either?
His refined negotiation skills were going to allow these leaders and countries who have fought the same issues for thousands of years to suddenly see the light and find a utopia of peace, love, rainbows and unimacorns.
(Not gay rainbows, general peace and harmony rainbows)
I’ve not seen his college transcripts, hell, I don’t even if he attended at all, but it doesnt matter. Just because he has no friends who remember him from college, doesn’t stop me from believing he’s the smartest President we’ve ever had; the smartest man on Earth.
Oh, Whinery, ye of little faith. Go watch the speech again.
If I can get my tongue out of my cheek, its time for another cup of coffee.
Whoa, David. That was quite the partisan rant there. I’ll try to toss out a few of my own opinions to counter yours.
“given the actual evidence of this chemical weapons attack on civilians shows that it was probably perpetuated by the ‘Rebels’ “. What evidence do you have to show that? Pretty widely agreed that the Assad regime possesses the chemical weapons as well as the means to deliver them. Very questionable at best to say the opposition does. In the very same paragraph you use the word “brutal” to describe the latest version of the Assad dictatorship. Bashar’s daddy wrote the book on Syrian brutality and it looks like the fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree as far as treating your own people with total disregard. To roughly quote former senator Daniel Moynihan ” You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts”.
I agree with your statement that Obama made a commitment when he made his “Red-Line” declaration on the use of chemical weapons but I think both history as well as America’s interests here back him up. The abhorence of the use of chemical weapons by the overwhelming majority of world powers goes back to the Geneva Protocol of 1925 following WWI and more recently the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1992, signed by over 95% of the nations ( interestingly not including Syria). As far as American interests, I don’t think anyone would question that America stands alone as the dominant power in the world with regards to the use of conventional weaponry and the ability to direct it’s force with precision. The use of chemical weapons, which lacks the ability to deliver the effects with precision, levels the playing field a bit so it is not in the best interests of the US to ever tolerate its’ use. I think it is wise for American interests for Obama to beat the drums against any use of chemical weapons. I would expect no less of a republican president.
I also agree that we should pay no mind to what Russia and China think. Both of those nations have trade with Syria that measures in the billions. They have a huge stake economically with the preservation of the Assad regime and “business as usual” with Syria. Russia’s only naval base in the Mediterranean sits in Syria. Hell yes they are both against it. Yep, the Brits are sitting this one out but they are probably still smarting about their call on the WMD that W relied on.
“And for good measure Iran has threatened to attack Israel, which will definitely get WWIII into full swing if that happens”. Iran has been making that idle threat for decades. If Iran even looked crossways at Israel, they would be a parking lot before the Sun rose the next day. Israel is surrounded by countries that threaten its very existence. If push ever comes to shove, Israel will do what it needs to do to protect itself regardless of other events.
Finally David, I’ll take issue with your broad use of the word “war”. To me, and I believe to most Americans, “war” means boots on the ground. Iraq, Afghanistan, hell, even Grenada involved boots on the ground. The swift, surgical, aerial strike that is widely talked about here does not involve boots on the ground.
Guess now I can take issue with Paul for bringing the domestic agenda into the discussion here to pile on the O man. Absolutely no argument from me that a sitting president has vast powers to be pro-active when talking about what happens here in the US. Yes, Obama has made a number of promises with regards to the economy, jobs, healthcare, the environment, etc., etc., and there is wide debate on what level of success he has had and what reasons might exist for any shortcomings. But when you cross our borders and we talk about world affairs, in reality it is mostly about reaction. It is naive to think any president can control what other nations do.
OK, this has been fun. I’m guessing I should at least hear back from Paul and my esteemed, conservative friend John. Since Dwight took this week off from politics to review a movie, maybe I might hook him to offer the perspective from the right.
Happy Labor Day weekend, everybody.
SO… exactly what are the “interests’ the USA in Syria that you say I defend in a “partisan” manner?
Oh no, Dwight, I just wanted to hear your take on the issue in general. I didn’t mean to imply you had any particular position to defend.
Thanks David.
Your writing just struck me as over the top against Obama and the points you made were not supported by how I viewed the situation. You weren’t doing any defending, you were in full attack mode. I just tried to refute your points. I do think O has consulted with many in both Houses and will continue to do so before taking action.
Not sure we will ever know but if he makes a decision based on what the public approval level is, as opposed to what his military and intelligence advisers tell him
and with consideration of the reasoned input of both sides of the aisle in Congress, we will all be the losers.
Congress abdicated its responsibility in these situations by passing the buck. So with a Senate full of the “smartest people in government” and a House which has become a leisure-service of the lobbyists, we are doing the Military-Industrial shuffle.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
H. L. Mencken
The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out… without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.
H. L. Mencken
Orphan, you have H. L. Mencken lodged in the membrane today, don’t you?
Ambrose Bierce too. When in doubt…
Man, I can’t believe our government is about to take action, yet I know better. We are dealing with snakes in nice suits and good K Street connections.
So will president drone strike mail out a few more to Syria?
This author follows the script of every teabagger: “Sure W did _______ too, but this is different!”
I’m the furthest thing from a tea bagger as you so eloquently put it and where exactly did I defend W- if anything I labelled him as a bigger fraud than Obama..
You are not the furthest thing from a teabagger…whether you possess the self-awareness to realize this or not is another story.
Typical- if you can’t justify or rely on reason- attack the accuser
At this point I’m pretty sure nobody draws a strong distinction between Bush and Obama. Except a few deranged left wingers who say “This time it’s different because Bush was greedy but Obama is doing it for social justice reasons.” Or whatever the excuse might be for Bush and Obama having exactly identical policies…
The most telling thing to me, is the approval ratings for an attack on Syria. It was single digit a couple of days ago. Now its in the 20’s according to some polls. The wildebeests are slowly coming back to the water hole. With a little help from the media it will be in the 40 percentile in a few days. 100,00 killed in Syria in the last 30 months and nothin, nada, zip, zilch, bupkis. Seems like the time for drawing lines has come and gone. Must have had trouble finding a red sharpie. Well , better late than never. It would be comical except that this could get out of hand fast. If Syria and Iran “rain missiles” ,as threatened, on Israel in retaliation , then what? Netanyahu won’t fire one over their bow. Syria and Iran might end up as giant Baccarat punch bowls. So there’s that. It’s not that far fetched.
Mark, here is a really interesting video from Glen Beck that attacks Republicans and Democrats for supporting this war. There is a short video which will shock a lot of folks, but in fact, it is pretty tame if you have a working knowledge of these types of conflicts.
It ends with Beck speaking over a video of Vlad Putin. If you are guessing that Mr. Putin is the voice of reason, you would be correct.
http://kennsvideos.blogspot.com/2013/08/glenn-becks-shocking-video-opposing-war.html
The Russians in the person of Mr. Putin are now filling a moral vacuum… Jesus, I just had to stop myself, I was going to say there was a “moral vaccum” in the Mideast. I need to suffer some fu*kin slings and arrows for that, have at me. “Moral Vacuum” in the mideast.
A place where people take “Morals” to such an insane extent, they communally cut off little girls genetalia, stone women, cane beer drinkers, cut off limbs for minor offences (Should I continue? No, you get it? Ok.) doesn’t have a “Moral Vacuum” it has an incessant Moral Tsunami.
Mea Culpa.
Mr. Putin does seem to be the only guy in town telling the truth about the day to day activities in the Middle East.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/vladimir-putin-defender-of-the-faith/?cat_orig=faith
That is right, Vlad Putin is the guidon in the defense of Christianity in this area of the world, where “Defenders of the Faith” usually wear a Jambiya.
Dwight Eisenhower played golf over 800 times during his administration. Obama would do well to work on his short game. America doesn’t need another Mid East mulligan.
It is a crime we are not now, pulling enough oil out of the Dakotas to bring gas prices down to 1.25 a gallon. We are loaded with energy up there and we sure as hell do NOT wanna get involved in ANY way with those crazy fu&ks in Syria, or any where over there.
The Iraq war was a galactic and I mean galactic blunder in the true sense of the word. Bush established Iranian-Shiite hegamony throughout the middle east by usurping the Sunni strength in Iraq.
God what a fu*k up. It is hard to get your arms around how much blow back there was from that ill advised imperialistic horse sh^t adventure.
If that fu&kin puke piece of sh&t, the Ayatollah Khomeini, came back to life, he would be gobsmacked by the results of our stupidity. We achieved, for him, every thing he hoped to achieve in his life time that on his death bed, he had to believe was lost.
The vagaries of war are not just unforgiving, they are unrepentent executioners of those so imbued with hubris as to embark on such foolish missions.
FU*K NO!!!!! We do NOT need any conflict with Syria, no matter who wins. If chemical weapons are used to kill off half the country, Obama should do what he does best, play golf.
It is what it is
okay….hold your breath….chuck is right on!!!!
why are we shipping oil out of America …it should be about abuck
a gallon with all that’s streaming out of the new hits.
its about oil…and money and keeping the middle east our
buddies…
when does all that oil stay in America…chuck/s right..
$1.25 a gallon…but the oil companies don’t wantthat..
they’re get ting big money overseas for that oil….
and they want those huge huge profits every year.
when will we wake up and realize that the American
people are just strictly pawns for thses money grubbing
power hungry politicians and corps.
we better wake up soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will never tell a fu*in lie as I see it.
The sh8theels on Wallstreet (Lloyd Blankfein and the cast of Ben Hur) stuck it in our azzes 6 ways from Sunday.
Mortgaged backed securities were a bad bet that everyone witht the exception of middle American knew about 2 years in advance.
I am fully on board with firing squads that exhibit diversity.
Al Sharpton and an endless list of race baiting “If I had a son…” fu&kwads, right next to scum bags in 5,000.00 suits who sold our father’s pensions and dreams down the tubes.
A nod to Waka Flocka against the wall as I pull the trigger.
It’s not possible to pull that much oil out of the Dakotas for any length of time. But keep believing the propaganda.
I know the expectations have been scaled back in want of newer technology (Which is why we are talking about this anyway.) and the wells not performing at the initial rate when first drilled.
In addition, I read that the price of oil is too low to generate the cash for more drilling (Now that does sound like propganda.).
It just seems to me, that the Big Oil Companies have got us by the ballz.
Just sayin…
🙂