The race card is raising its ugly head…
Can likely shoe in winner Barack Obama lose because he’s black? The answer: YES!
In fact, this is likely the only way Obama goes down because Republican challenger Mitt Romney on his own can’t win at this point. So the race issue is likely Romney’s only shot.
Of course Mitt won’t ever bring that up, but its there.
But Glaze, you say, it wasn’t an issue last time out.
That’s pretty much true. But most white voters saw him as kinda white, brilliant, and thought, “Hey, let’s give this a chance for once after the way Bush failed.”
Well, that was last time out.
Since then things have gotten much worse between blacks and whites. In fact, black voters are not exactly thrilled with Obama either. He is not a cool black dude. He doesn’t feel their pain – not well enough anyway. Sure, he comes out and jumps on some black issues like the recent hoody shooting, but he mostly avoids black problems for the obvious reasons.
I even see this in the comments section: “We don’t like him because he’s black.”
The big question; will white voters who gave Obama a shot last time remain open minded?
Maybe the answer is more NO.
With crime regarding blacks and maybe more important the misdeeds of high profile blacks, like Tiger Woods, there’s a possible problem. Do more whites blame black Americans for the poor economy? You know, “They get all the welfare money and don’t want to work or go to school.”
That sort of battle cry is louder today than it was four years ago.
There is the school of thought that most whites see Obama as the brightest president in decades. I tend to agree. He’s brilliant. So they see him without color. Just a man. As it should be, but are there as many who still see it that way this time out?
Possibly more important, will young Americans and blacks go out and vote for Obama again? Black voters will choose Obama of course, but will they be as excited this time? Will as many vote?
When Barack got into office I heard tons of jokes from black comics like, “We ain’t got no excuses anymore black people…the whites voted for our guy…damn.”
A few years later, now I hear NONE. There are very few Obama jokes from either white comics and NONE to speak of from black comics. They really just don’t relate to Barack, he’s too straight.
My guess is this will not end the president’s stay in the white house.
It’s something to think about though. If Obama loses, in my mind, race would be the key reason.
“America, America is just more than a place, though. America is an idea. It’s the only country founded on an idea. Our rights come from nature and God, not from government. That’s right. That’s who we are, that’s how we built this country. That’s who we are. That’s what made us great. That’s what made us great. We promise equal opportunity, not equal outcomes,” Ryan said.”
That from the new VP Candidate today.
Equal opportunity, NOT equal outcomes.
If ya need a translation lemme know.
Translation: I’m a right wing nuthin who is totally beholden to the Koch brothers and who will stop at nothing to make the rich richer at the expense of everybody else. Now go watch Fox News for extra brainwashing.
@obviously
Those points are well taken.
Lets just look at the actual numbers, which do not necessarily mitigate your comment
White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3
To break down these numbers, we look at how many Whites are in the population as a WHOLE. If Blacks make up less 14% of the population and are almost 40% of all receipients, then they represent about 2.5 times their actual population. Since Whites are over 50% of the total US pop., they represent less than their overall piece of the pie, population-wise. Hispanics are at least 15% of the general population, so they take only about as much as what their population represents. Why am I writing this? Because I am tired of the misrepresentations on this issue. I read so many on here claiming that more Whites are on welfare than Blacks (true, in terms of raw numbers), yet not accounting for the fact that there are over 4X as many Whites in this country than Blacks! In statistics, you cannot go by mere numbers. Only if the playing field is exactly equal, which is rarely is! This thread was started, not to be racist, but to keep it real. After all, there are some legitimate reasons for Blacks to be on welfare more than Whites. But the worst thing anyone can do is be in denial.
Just wanna make sure we are all on the same page.
Glazed over knows nothing of politics. That 2.4% Asian swings one way or another in (not the state) but the Commonwealth of Virginia (say 60-40 either way) could decide the election. One thing to bet on is that the Prez race will have very little to do with what happens Mo or KS. We are just stuck with the MO senate race. If anybody cared they would start with the dog catcher and work their way up to school board, city gov, county gov, state seat, etc…
From that 70’s show. Red is asked to ask Ford one question. His first response is “how the hell are you going fix the economy?” To which his wife Kitty says “oh, honey, he is the president, he wouldn’t know that” No truer words ever spoken.
The rich get more welfare, through tax breaks and business loopholes, than the truly needy could ever hope to receive. And Craig, head out to Odessa or Clinton and meet the majority of people who are using food stamps or ADC.
Just wanted to say that before dumbman jumps in here with his Welfare Queen mythology.
In my opinion, you are essentially correct. USA Corps moving overseas and dodging taxes, in addition to sending jobs overseas is a negative. We are starting to get outta my pay grade here, but as I understand it, the horse is outta the barn, and in order to compete for world markets, these intiatives are necessary.
I realize that this argument is abused by schmucks like Lloyd Blankfien and the arena a corporate creeps that disabled our entire economy in this recession. However, I have seen, and believed the interviews with Captains of Industry, who say they want to come back home, but the tax rates in the US are too high for them to be competative. Once again, I am no mench on this deal, and should probably leave the economics to Bslchloz, smarty, Paul etc.
The US has some of the highest corporate tax rates among industrialized nations. We are in a global economy. When labor and tax conditions cannot be created domestically to insure competitiveness and success you move the party. When you are the CEO of a company, public or private, that is your reality. If you can’t compete on price or make a compelling case of better product or better service that people are willing to pay for, you’re fucked.
it will be about race….95% of african americans vote for obama…75% of
hispanic vote for obama/…
women vote 56-44 for obama
old white angry washed up men who are dying vote 60-40 for romney
this president has been battered with more racial slurs/negative hateful
messages etc than any other president in history. Yet he still saves the
nation.
Sorry chuck…you didn’t make it. But you better be careful what you
wish for with the romney/ryan plan. You’re a veteran….and under
romney/ryan plan they will cut 11 billion dollars from va….
as far as food stamps…1/2 are kids….1/4 are seniors and the disabled..
most of the recipeients are the working poor….just more
bullshitk from a bunch of old agnry over the hill senior nasty white
guys who’s time has come and passed…sorry chuckie and smarmyman
….turn out the lights.
White voters got Obama elected because he IS black. It was one of those coke commercial moments when everyone joined hands and sang post racial folk songs. Hell, I even fell for it for a few months. If Obama loses it will be because of his failed policies. It will be because with a dem controlled house and senate his first 2 years in office, and his free pass to push his agendas through unencumbered for two years, he still failed. In Obama’s favor he has a media that still falls over itself not to criticize him lest they be labeled the dreaded racist. We have a justice dept. that refused to prosecute the new black panther party for voter intimidation, after being filmed with clubs at a polling place. They also ran guns into Mexico and were directly responsible for the death of both americans and mexican nationals. We have a president who has borrowed more than all previous presidents combined. We have a campaign who encourages the most untrue smear ad in history. Romney killed my wife. So if Obama wins he wins BECAUSE of his race, not in spite of it. He sure as hell wont win on his record.
You nailed it. He has failed for all the reasons you said and is still blaming Bush. He acts like he is an outsider and complains about the economy like he has nothing to do with it. The man has spent the last 3 1/2 years campaigning instead of governing because that is all he really knows how to do.
I can’t argue with a word either of you wrote yet despite all that, in my eyes he is still the lesser of the two evils we have to choose from. Romney is a puppet and his handlers are ruthless and self serving. They have proven time and again that their interests come before yours and mine and anybody else who dares threaten their surge to infinite wealth.
The ship is taking on water and the lifeboats spots have all been spoken for.
Obama is a brilliant orator. That much I will give him. He is not a brilliant thinker or political tactician. He is an acolyte…or maybe aco-lite of Saul Alinsky. His academic and intellectual bona-fides are largely bullshit with no basis whatsoever in fact. I’ll be glad to debate him any day on any issue and smoke his ass like the last joint on Willie Nelson’s tour bus headed to a border crossing. I can get all jingoistic too and talk like a black southern preacher.
This election is about one thing only, IDEOLOGY! Do you want more or less Government intrusion and involvement in your life and business? Do want to be able to pursue and explore the potential of the American dream or do you want to be capped and traded out? The differences are dramatic. It truly is black and white. There is no grey area for moderates and independents to encamp the way they did in 2008. The white guilt has been assuaged.
I’ve spoken with 8 prominent KC metro area democrats, all successful business owners, who voted for and donated to Obama in 2008. They will not support him this time around as they all came to a similar conclusion; how could they vote for a man to run the country that they would not trust to run their businesses? The first time around they voted on the sizzle. This time they are voting on the steak.
Russell Simmons says that Romney/Ryan will “kill our (black) people”. Guess what Russell, Obama/Biden will “kill our (white) people”. Last time I checked my white people were making more of a positive contribution to America then your black people were. C’mon, even KFC, Popeye’s and Church’s were founded by white guys. Shit, black people should own fried chicken the way you do rap, the NBA and death row inmates.
The president will not retain anywhere close to the number of white votes he got in 2008 nor will he retain all of the black votes that he got. Absent that, he can’t win. There is not even a strong certainty that he will retain all of the female and Hispanic votes, much less see increases among those groups.
Romney’s got everything to gain and nothing to lose in the debates. Nothing can happen in the debates that will turn a Romney voter into an Obama voter. The same is not true for the other side of that equation. There is an old saying that 70% of success in life is just showing up. Willard, will be on time.
The Bildbergers and the rigged electronic voting system says four more years of Obummer, continue building your personal home bunker and armory.
Rep. Ryan needs a better speech writer. “That’s what made us great. That’s what made us great.” Either that or he needs to learn how to deliver a better stump speech. “Our rights come from nature and God.” Please explain, Rep. Ryan, especially the part about rights coming from nature as opposed to God. I wasn’t really aware of any such rights. Who winds these people up in the morning? And when their batteries fail in the middle of the day, they’re totally clueless. Running on empty.
Wasn’t aware ANY rights came from God or nature. They came from a piece of paper created by man.
Really? Never heard of the concept of natural rights? How about John Locke?
I guess that’s why I don’t bother coming to this site for political discourse.
Yeah, try living by Locke’s ideas of what your “rights” should be. All great in theory, but you’ll go back to the ones on paper when you are defending yourself in court.
My main point, Intern, was that my rights were not granted by God.
Then somebody needs to go ask those crazy slave owning Founding Fathers what the fuck they meant about us all being created equal and being endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights. That Declaration of Independence is such an irrelevant document. WTF? Who in their right wing batshit mind would say such stupid stuff. We hold these truths to be self evident my ass. BULLSHIT!
Obama versus Romney is like cat shit versus dog shit. Until America elects a person that will stand up and tell the truth, nothing will ever change.
I want to guy that stands up and says, “Guess what? We have to raise taxes on everyone! We don’t have enough money to pay for all of the programs that the American people have said they want, so we have to raise more money. The top 5% wage earners are going to have to pay a higher percentage of their earnings because they can AFFORD to. The other 95% are going to be paying more, but we are going to make it as affordable as possible. You want better schools, more police, more fireman, better roads and bridges, better health care and better social security benefits? Well, all of that costs money. It is mathematically impossible to lower tax rates and spend more money. As an individual, you know that you have “X” amount of money coming in, so you can only have “X” amount of money going out. it’s basic arithmetic, people. Everyone like to talk about the “good old days” 40 or 50 or 60 years ago. If they were the good old days, we ought to be able to go back to those tax tables and everyone would be happy. Right? You can’t get something for nothing. Now, let’s all pitch in and pay our FAIR share.”
The American people love to bitch about their government, but they are completely unwilling to do anything about it. Americans love the sound bite and the “gotcha” moments. Politicians play BOTH sides like master puppeteers to get you to vote AGAINST your own best interests. Republicans and Democrats have been using the same playbook for decades. Voters keep following those plays hoping for a different result every 4 years. That, lemmings, is the definition of insanity.
World’s Highest Corporate Tax Rate Hurts U.S. Economically
By JOSEPH MASON
April 2, 2012 RSS Feed Print
Joseph Mason is the Moyse/LBA Chair of Banking at the Ourso School of Business at Louisiana State University and a senior fellow at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.
United States-based companies and hardworking Americans face a steadily growing problem, one oddly self-imposed by Uncle Sam. Our current tax system puts businesses and workers at a competitive disadvantage in the global market and discourages companies from investing in operations here at home.
On Sunday, April 1, Japan lowered its corporate tax rate, leaving the United States with the highest effective rate among developed countries: 39.2 percent.
Under the “worldwide” tax system the United States employs now, companies’ profits generated abroad are subject to taxes both domestically and in the country they were earned. Certain provisions are built into the tax code to alleviate that burden, but even those protections are being challenged by members in Congress who seem ensconced on repealing these important incentives for U.S. industry. According to a 2011 Business Roundtable report:
American companies can face a tax rate on their remitted foreign earnings a full 16 percentage points higher than the rate faced by their foreign competitors.
Operating under a higher tax rate automatically puts U.S. based firms at a competitive disadvantage to their foreign counterparts. Developments in technology and greater global integration have opened international boundaries. Companies today have fewer deterrents from relocating their operations to areas that provide the most economically conducive environment, putting an inestimable pressure on nations to create commerce-friendly conditions. We’ve already seen this at a state by state level.
California, which boasts one of the most burdensome state tax systems, has witnessed companies relocate at an accelerating pace. In 2011, companies moved out of California at an average of about five a week. Altron Inc., an information technology company laid off 74 employs to open headquarters in South Carolina. CGI Federal Inc. fired 170 people to move to Canada. Petco, the well-known supplies retailer, shut down its headquarters in San Diego to move to Texas. The list goes on and on.
American companies that operate internationally directly sustain over 22 million U.S. jobs and a further 41 million indirectly. Additionally, the average U.S. company operating globally buys $3 billion in goods and services from small businesses here at home, with a cumulative impact of more than $1.52 trillion. Unreasonable tax policies put all of that at an unnecessary risk.
Moreover, monitoring the tax activity of U.S. based multinationals under the current system creates sizeable costs. Both government agencies and private firms devote valuable time and resources to tracking and taxing foreign income. According to the Tax Foundation, the IRS estimates American companies and individuals spend 7 billion hours a year filing tax forms. Under a simplified “territorial” system, governments would see gains that would offset most, if not all, short-term reductions to tax revenue. Moreover, the long-term gains caused by increased economic activity and decreased compliance costs would dwarf any immediate losses.
Taxing U.S. companies on profits earned abroad also discourages managers from repatriating profits, thereby reducing domestic investment. Similarly, hefty taxes deter foreign investment in the United States since prospective financers recognize the drag they will create on revenues.
The business world is becoming increasingly global. In 2007, international commerce accounted for 35 percent of worldwide Gross Domestic Product. But America is failing to keep pace. Today, U.S. investment in foreign firms is three times greater than in American companies, and in 2010, only six of the 20 largest global companies were U.S. based, down from 13 in 1985.
Switching to a territorial tax system offers the United States a practical way to bolster international trade, increase tax revenues, and re-establish itself as a leader of global innovation and commerce. Many U.S. leaders espouse this view and a growing number recognize its practicality. For the sake of our domestically based businesses and workers, it’s important we carefully reconsider our current tax policy.
been smelling that diseased hot tub feces fighting solution again…
smarmyman…corporations profits are at their highest levels EVER…
and they’re not paying any taxes…so the rate might be high but
with all the little trinkets in the tax bill for these thieves thye
pay almost nothing.
as far as repatriating those taxes the crops sent overseas that was
tried…they stole that money and failed to pay taxzes on the
that profit…..bush tried it..it failed…just ctu the fucking corporations
off now…no more offshore accounts…tax them like all the small
business guys…its a scam…why don’t you cut and paste that info.
by the way do you get tax breaks recycling old worn out disgusting
feces infe cted tubs…you should….you’re solving the trash problem…
people could be throwing those old hot tubs into landfills…you chould
be geting big tax breaks….but god how hard up are you to make
a few bucks…sheeesh!!!!!!!!!1
get over it white angry old men…the world is changing.
You can’t become president without at least 40% opf the hispanic vote.
Not a claim its a fact. Even ed rollins points that out.
so take the ryan/romney plan and shove it. It eliminates pell grants/
food stamps/v.a./…itwas written by a guy on a cocktail napkin…the nmubers
and dollars are so far off that its coming from the mind of a 10 year old.
so relax…you’ll all get your social security checks every month…your
medical bills will be paid…and you’ll go to heaven feeling fine.
its just that your world as you know it is ending…see pat buchanons book…!
All bets are off. Bebe Netanyahu is gonna nuke Iran’s nukes. The New World Order is starting to take shape. I like our chances.
By David Shepardson
Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -The Treasury Department says in a new report the government expects to lose more than $25 billion on the $85 billion auto bailout. That’s 15 percent higher than its previous forecast.
In a monthly report sent to Congress on Friday, the Obama administration boosted its forecast of expected losses by more than $3.3 billion to almost $25.1 billion, up from $21.7 billion in the last quarterly update.
The report may still underestimate the losses. The report covers predicted losses through May 31, when GM’s stock price was $22.20 a share.
On Monday, GM stock was trading down 6 cents, or 0.2 percent, to $20.49. At that price, the government would lose another $850 million on its GM bailout.
The government still holds 500 million shares of GM stock and needs to sell them for about $53 each to recover its entire $49.5 billion bailout.
Treasury spokesman Matt Anderson said the costs were still far less than some predicted.
“The auto industry rescue helped save more than one million jobs throughout our nation’s industrial heartland and is expected to cost far less than many had feared during the height of the crisis,” Anderson said.
The Obama administration initially estimated it would lose $44 billion on the bailout but reduced the forecast to $30 billion in December 2009.
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has decried the losses on the auto bailout and insisted that forcing GM and Chrysler Group LLC to go through bankruptcy first would have saved taxpayers money.
But President George W. Bush — who gave the automakers and their finance arms about $25 billion in his final weeks in office in bailout funds — said there wasn’t time.
Taxpayers incurred a $1.3 billion loss on the $12.5 billion bailout of Chrysler.
The Treasury also has put on hold an initial public offering initially planned for last year in Ally Financial Inc. because of market weakness. The government holds a 74 percent majority stake in the Detroit auto finance company as part of its $17.2 billion bailout and has recovered $5.7 billion.
GM CEO Dan Akerson told employees at a town hall meeting Thursday that the company was working to take actions to boost the automaker’s sagging price.
dshepardson@detnews.com
Should Obama lose the Presidential race this November, he has, in my opinion, the blind celerity of Main Stream liberal media apparatchiks to blame. That same drive by media, exutling at the opportunity to crucify, what, at first blush, based on reports, was a white on black hate crime, then, during discovery, turned out to be a highly questionable prosecution of a Half Hispanic, Half White man resulted in a national rhetorical Fundemental Attribution Error, which pulled back the curtain on the administration’s real priorities and methods.
“If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”
Those ten words branded an ineluctable inference of bias and agenda into the psyche of thinking caucasions all over the nation. In retrospect, as the coverage of the Zimmerman/Martin tragedy becomes increasingly detailed and public, the level of reporting by NBC and other media outlets approached “Baloon Boy” buffoonery. The verdict is not yet in, but Presidential interference in local murders, based on racial extemporaneous emotional appeal, would seem to be ill advised.
Those ten words enunciated the identity politics and liberal legerdemain that are concomitant with liberal initiatives and liberal causes with respect to Glazer’s question.
Those ten words are an unrightable wrong in the parlance of pre election politics. That Presidential gas on a fire started by the usual racial rabble rousers led to at least 11 attacks on whites (There are hundreds more, but this is one article.),
http://www.wnd.com/2012/05/wave-of-black-mobs-brutalizing-whites/
accompanied by taunts and insults during the beatings and murders, which called for “Justice for Trayvon.” The Presidential feet should be smoldering in the fire he helped ignite, in the theater of American opinion and bloody constraint.
Those ten words symbolize the racial, epigenetic sophistry behind every move this administration makes in the effort to provide equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.
Those ten words, I hope, signal the penultimate political vicissitudes and unfavorable winds for a president whose promise of unity gave way to a shop worn narrative that has bled our country and wallets for 60 years and will now give way to common sense.
Hee, hee…..you talk funny.
chuck says:
DONT MESS WITH MY MEDICARE! DON’T MESS WITH MY SOCIAL SECURITY”
smaryman says:
DON’T MESS WITH MY HOT TUBS. DON’T MESS WITH MY BUSINESS OF
SELLING DISGUSATING FUNGUS FILLED HOT TUBS! i built it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Disgusating”? God, I wish that really was a word.
chuck i watched that video. where i grew up you called people like that niggers
When I grew up, I was taught that you didn’t call ANYBODY the n word.
Yeah. You’d get yer grill knocked in and more unless you had a bat in your hand.
the real harley did not say that….whoever is using my name to
use racial slurs needs to stop…thanks……
If that wasn’t you, you might need to get law4life.com involved in this.
wtf
That’s what I thought when I read your missive.
Somewhere Glazer is googling “missive”
lolz. harley used the dreaded N word. It’s official he is back off the meds. I was always a fan of the bloated drug addled Elvis rather than the young non bloated version. I kind of feel the same way about harley. I prefer the bat shit crazy harley to the mildly retarded trying to be coherent harley. He’s a hoot.
The fabric of America is breaking down: the kind of people who built it are losing faith and giving up on it, and the people who are reaping benefits from the current regime aren’t competent enough to keep it running. It may take a long time to wind down (50 years? 100 years?) but the process has started. Look at South Africa and Detroit – that’s America’s future.
+1
sorry expat…i never bet against the u.s.
are you sayiung chuck and smarmyman built this nation. Not quite.
It was build by my family who served in military…one a ww2 veteran
and the other a lead tank commander for patton.
They built this nation…and they have never given up on it.
Your negativity is prevalent among the old angry white man
audience….smarmyman and chuckie are wearing off on you.
Harley I wish I could believe that way but I’ve spent too much overseas to buy into the myths that most Americans believe about their own country. It’s not ‘negativity’ it’s an opinion based on a sober examination of history and current events. America wasn’t built in European wars it was built by a particular demographic which is being replaced by and taxed for the benefit of a different demographic that doesn’t have a good track record of maintaining civilization.
Just wanted to know if anybody can tell me exactly what Obama did to EARN his Noble Peace Prize? You do realize that Obama signs off on deadly drone strikes against US citizens without trial? One side of me has no problem with offing guys that hang themselves with their words, but to do it outside of any law I can find does not really make me think of Noble Peace Prize winner.
There was a lot of white guilt that carried the vote for Obama 4 years ago. He is going to have make Romeny the worse choice. This will come down liberal Wall Street money, liberal Hollywood money, Wall Street money that bet on both sides and Koch bothers and the Vegas Jew on the other side. Not to mention the Mormon money that is on rivaled by the Jewish money in politics.
TV and net execs will be the winners when the smoke clears, as long as they thread the eye of the needle and make max profits on ads.
The Bildebergers and 4th reichers made that happen bubba, just like they make lots of stuff happen in the world.
@ hearne.
why arent my comments making it out of moderation half the time? They seem pretty tame by kcc standards, maybe you just dont like the cut of my jib or something. Or maybe you and the harlinator are afraid Ill expose you as build a burger or build a bear co conspirators.
sorry Mike Hearne to my knowledge did not edit any comments lately…or dump any, unless it was on another section….
They may be just not getting through the moderation thing. no biggie. It was originally under your wtf comment on harley and the dreaded n word.
Hell, it took 3 days to get some of mine cleared!