OTC: George Steinbrenner / Yankee Gone Home
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kctacomonday
Is it possible for the Border Patrol to be any more boring than when Steven St. John is gone?
Cliffy
No … Border Patrol could not be any more boring than it was this morning. I switched to 980 and listened to News/Talk because Fescoe is simply not an option.
It seems absurd now that the Royals once had an intense rivalry with the Yankees. Remember when KC had the opportunity to go to the National League but said it wanted to maintain a rivalry with NY? I hated Steinbrenner but you have to admire his drive.
Gavin
It figures that Big Stein would die on the morning of the All-Star Game. What an attention whore he must be that he couldn’t let the game happen without injecting himself by dying. Still, a very shrewd move on his part. When you’re worried about becooming irrelevant, a bold move like this will take back some of what you’ve lost due to age and infirmity.
Seriously, though, I grew up pretty much despising the man. I loathed him not only for the fact that his team almost always beat my team in the postseason, but also for what he did to the game. That said, I have to admire the way he drove his team to success and that he would do whatever he could to produce a winner, unlike some current Kansas City-based owners I could name. I think there is a lesson about the laws of unintended consequences buried somewhere in Steinbrenner’s body of work, but you can’t deny that he was a huge force, even if you can debate whether he was good or bad for the game.
Ptolemy
Anyone that fails to acknowledge anything but respect for George in recalling his life are just twisted by sour grapes.
Steinbrenner hired the first black professional basketball coach in American history. He made his money outside of baseball honestly at a time when liberals were attacking capitalism as evil. He succeeded regardless. He turned an $8 million investment in the Yankees into a billion dollar MLB brand. Nobody has been as successful.
Stevo
Now we get to listen to everyone wax nostalgic about a guy they most likely hated…give me a break. This is like the funeral for Tony’s mom on the Sopranos…somebody needs to speak up in the media and quit pretending like GS was a saint. He was a massive, gaping asshole…but he was a winner. And I wish he would have owned the Royals.
craig glazer
They don’t make them like George much anymore, maybe Donald Trump is a close second to him…he will be missed…a powerful and winning man.
Gavin
Way to mix the old metaphors there, Ptolemy. “twisted by sour grapes?” Or do you mean either of those things literally? In which case, I haven’t had any ACTUAL sour grapes in a long damn time and the only thing twisted about me is my imagination.
But while you’re lauding your boy Steinbrenner, as is your right, you might want to also remember that he was banned from baseball “for life” because of the way he conducted himself and brought dishonor on the game. That’s not “twisted” and it’s not “sour grapes.” He was never exonerated from his dealings with Howie Spira and Dave Winfield, he was just excused for them.
And leave your politics at home. Taking potshots at liberals is entirely tone deaf here. “Liberals” weren’t attacking capitalism anymore than “conservatives” are shooting abortionists while they’re in church. Steinbrenner didn’t make money despite “liberals,” he made that money BECAUSE he inherited a shipping firm.
Ptolemy
Gavin, in 1957 when Steinbrenner was making his fortune running the American Ship Building Company, the top marginal tax rate, for those making over $400K, was 91%. That’s about as clear an attack as one can launch on capitalism and achievement. Steinbrenner didn’t inherit the firm, he joined his father’s company and saved it.
The last time I looked, Roeder was in jail for his crimes. When are Liberals going to jail for theirs?
dp
Steinbrenner was great, I’d love to have an owner like that for the Chiefs or Royals. In this day of weenie, absentee owners, The Boss will be missed.
I usually like your takes Ptolemy, but please don’t start with all the political crap. The next person will say- ‘Liberals’ will go to jail for their crimes when George W. ‘neo-cons’ who cut taxes and increase spending go to jail for theirs. Then you’ll counter with an Obama crack.
Seriously, we can play this stupid game all day, both parties suck and way more similar than either will admit. Drives me nuts politics gets injected into everything.
Ptolemy
It’s relevant, dp, in Steinbrenner’s case because most folks hated him for no other reason than he was successful at almost anything he did.
bschloz
Loved those Yankee/Royals years. Kuaffman and Steinbrenner were great owners for their fans.
RIP George…you sumbitch you.
ALL-Star Day only fitting.
Monkeyhawk
Steinbrenner farmed native prairie ol’ Charley Finley already plowed. I can’t fault George all that much for jumping at the opportunity Charley O. gave him.
But he had a lot of Charles Montgomery Burns in him. He manipulated Billy Martin, Yogi Berra, Mattingly…. And you’ll never completely remove “asshole” from Steinbrenner’s resume.
barry
interesting that ptolemy would use the 1957 tax rate to show how liberals were attacking capitalism, seeing as how the rate remained unchanged through two terms of a republican president through the ’50’s, including his first two years in office where the republicans had majorities in both houses.
according to forbes, the royals spend a higher percentage of their revenue on player payroll than the yankees do. but steinbrenner was known as an owner who spends to win and glass is known as a cheapskate. funny how that works. i’d bet that if the royals had the yankees’ population base and vice versa, steinbrenner would have been looking up at glass in the standings most years.
Stevo
I read JoPo’s article about payroll as a percentage of TR a while back…and no other article has put so plainly the plight the Royals and other small markets face. The ONLY solution would be a hard cap which won’t happen since there’s so many players.
Ptolemy
Barry, Ike was no fiscal Conservative, and the Republican Party was obsessed in 1957 with ridding the world of Communism, not lowering marginal rates that had been in place for decades.
Gavin
It’s interesting, Ptolemy, that you keep defending your politics instead of your mixed metaphors and the fact that Sfteinbrenner was dismissed from the game because of, I think the exact charges were, acting like a scumbag. The man is dead. You can take his nutsack out of your mouth.
John
Cliffy Says:
“It seems absurd now that the Royals once had an intense rivalry with the Yankees. Remember when KC had the opportunity to go to the National League but said it wanted to maintain a rivalry with NY? I hated Steinbrenner but you have to admire his drive.”
Interesting. I guess that was the braintrust who has ran this team into the ground. When MLB changed to six confrences that NY/KC rivalry would never come back. Even if both teams were good and in the playoffs every year.
Everyone knew that. But I guess David Glass didn’t…maybe someone like Herk Robinson should of told him.
barry
ptolemy, actually the 91% rate was not in effect for decades but in fact took effect in 1951. it was reduced in 1964 during the administration of that staunch bastion of conservatism lyndon baines johnson.
suggesting that a republican congress and a republican president concentrated so much on one issue that they were so preoccupied as to ignore this supposedly horrific attack on capitalism through the tax code is about the lamest response i have read in a long time. but i empathize with your problem. if you’re going to make ridiculously inaccurate comments, you’re going to be left with ridiculous excuses when they are pointed out.
Dexter Morgan
Good riddance cocksucker!
Ptolemy
barry, barry, barry….
http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php
You aren’t trying to deny that liberal philosophy is to take from the achievers and re-distribute progressively to others are you? Please tell me that you are because this beat-down will get even more bloody. Lowering the top rate from 90% to 70% is hardly tax relief. What incentive is there to be an entrepreneur when the govt takes 70%? You’ve got to be joking!
Johnny P
I listen to Mike and Mike in the morning, fuck local sports radio. It’s so goddamned embarrasing to listen these days.
Kia Zi
I see Craig Glazier is pretending that he knows something about nothing again. Wow does that guy ever get sick of sucking cock to pretend to be liked. You would think that his ass hole would be so sore by now that all he’d be looking for is his doctor to give him some anal relaxer to relieve his external pain. You don’t know any body you foney ass hole. Get a life and try to find somebody that gives a fuck about your stupid make be life shit!