OTC: Can Beebe’s Kids Get Along In B12 Lite?
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MoCrash
Across-the-board cynicism and disrespect, both by the media and university big shots. Petro may be optimistic about the Big 12 Lite — or Big I/Little IX, as I prefer — making it five years before folding. What was SNAFU previously is FUBAR now.
Please Big 10! The area code in Columbia is 573, starting calling and get Mizzou out of this monstrosity. You’ll be rewarded with a couple of good TV markets and a loyal — and likely grateful — fan base (we’d even ditch out loud-mouthed Guv if the Lite Guv wasn’t such a whack job).
Orphan of the Road
MU will forever be known as Texas’ bitch. But what did we expect with leadership from Forsee?
Ask Penn State what the first five-years in the Big 10 were like for them.
I’m sure the rest of the not-so-Big 12 will pray for the blimps to crash into the stands when MU and NU play.
Mr.Burns
Don’t you bushwackers get it? The Big 10 does not want you.
Cliffy
If everybody wants to blame Missouri, fine. Mizzou officials questioned the revenue sharing structure and said they would do what’s best for the university. They had the audacity to publicly question the big, bad longhorns.
As Mocrash indicates, our pin-headed governor probably did the most to piss people off by basically saying Big 12 academics were inferior to the Big 10. Dumb thing to say publicly. Just dumb. And I see he’s opening his mouth again today. Just STFU, Jay.
Everybody better be keeping close tabs on their options, because this conference won’t last.
BenchWarmers Sports Bars
So the Big 12 just bowed down and kissed Texas foot. Must be nice to be the Big Dog. And the way Mizzou has been criticizing NU & CU you would think they were a powerhouse.
Gavin
Cliffy, I don’t know if I’m on drugs or you are, but I keep agreeing with stuff you have to say. MU was right to question the revenue arrangements and the bowl assignments, but I think that doing it publicly may have been a blunder. And I agree with you that Jay Nixon seems to have done the most damage with his comments, but, as an outside observer, I think the comments of a governor (and booster) actually are allowed to be considered by the representatives of the otehr schools in the conference. It’s unfortunate that he said what he said, but he is really lucky that the Big XII was still around because I was hearing that if the Big 10 didn’t work out, MU’s next best option might have been the SEC and I wonder what Gov. Nixon would have found to say about the academics in THAT conference had MU been forced to join it.
In the end, I don’t really “blame” Mizzou because they just said what everyone else was thinking. I think Nixon’s comments were far worse than anything Alden or Forsee said. I do think, though, that MU’s very public flirtation with the Big 10 preciptated a lot of this. It may well have happened anyway (hell, it may STILL happen anyway), but MU did sort of send everyone running for cover. I mean, when jojo says something is gonna happen, you can bank on it, right? And we know he had SOURCES (and also that I am a looser/lozer/loosseer/etc.), so if jojo reports it, you’d better run for cover. Still, while I think MU preciptated it, there was a lot of other stuff, like Kietzman’s ridiculous reporting (where have you gone Old Man Kissell?) and UT’s obvious desire to cement its role as the swinging dick. Although MU may have been a major factor in starting all of this, no way it’s all MU’s fault.
petomane
Nebraska and Texas are a couple spoiled bitches.
Missouri looks out for their best interests (a la UT and NU) and they get cast as the dip shits that ended the big 12.
Missouri — Know your station in college sports. Texas will tell you what you can have and you will be appreciative and respectful. NU will see you trying to improve your situation and take it from you, but that’s fine because they are more deserving.
OlatheCat
I think you meant what Hitler told Churchill, not Stalin. Unless you’re referring to something else that isn’t what I’m thinking of.
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GH: Stalin and Churchill were allies during WWII but very uneasy allies at best.
jojo
still..no matter how you put it…MU will
bolt. It’s just a matter of time.
Plans are already under way to begin some
work at the stadium site and it will happen.
And when it does…and I can’t say exactly
when…but when it doess happen…then
the BIG 10/12/8/5/6/9/11/3 WILL FOLD….
Nixon is right. Academics are the future for
these universities. I still wonder where all the
ad dollars are going to come from for all these
massive, huge garganatuan tv contracts all these
leagues/teams are expecting.
I can say those dollars aren’t there.
Who will be the major advertisers to kick in
millions of extra dollars on the big 12
tv networks. The big 12 should set up its
own network asap…make money on subscritption
rights…
BUT IT WASN’T TODAY….IT WON’T BE TOMORROW…
IT WON’T BE NEXT WEEK…BUT MU IS GOING TO
BOLT. The people there have determined that
the future of that university rests best as
a part of the big 10 but after the dust settles
and people calm down…I can say that MU will
move on down the line.
It’s about money. And probably the university
decided that more money can be generated moving
the school to the big 10 from other income
streams than just athletics…something is driving this and eventually we will find out
what that is. MU is still not satisfied with
the additional revenue they will receive to
stay in the big 12…something else that the
curators/governor/adminstration know is making
them believe that the real future lies within
the big 10 and not the big 12.
Stay tuned….more to come.
jojo
Gavin: thank you for giving me more credit
than I deserve. You write more about me than
even the radio/tv/internet gurus who are
paid to report and analyze these things.
Thanks for mentioning me in the same posts
as people like BEbe/KK/Soren. I am an amatuer
at this. Just a business owner who enjoys
the internet. I’m not paid but I do have
great contacts and even though my timing may
be off on my third prediction (as you can
read my first 2 were correct) I believe that
over time the league will split and MU will
be the final straw in the dismantling of the
big 12.
Thanks for all of you mentioning my posts…
I am not paid to do this…just providing
update info from my sources who continue to
give me important information.
IN due time…you will all be shaking your
heads with amazement and anger saying
‘jojo was right…jojo was right…in the
end ….jojo was right!
Gavin
i gotta hand it to you, jojo, most guys, when their credibility gets hammered, would apologize for being a dick and at least act contrite. You, though, recognize that you never had any credibility to begin with and figure that your squandered chance at it shouldn’t prevent you from making ill-informed, sub-literate predictions about any ridiculous thing that crosses your “mind.” Don’t even mention that all the stuff you guaranteed hasn’t happen, just keep predicting that it hasn’t happened YET. That’s the way you do it.
By the way, did you grow up under overhead power lines or maybe have drinking water with an exceptionally high mineral content? Did either of your parents work in a pesticide or fertilizer factory? Were you the bogus missing link at the 1928 World’s Fair (I can’t be the first to ask)?
Gavin
jojo, I write about a lot of things. Let’s not asume they’re all critical or of some great significance. I still remember the clowns from the circus my parents took me to when I was a kid, but they didn’t have any great effect on me as an adult except to serve as a mental image of you when I see your grammar-free posts in this space.
Still waiting for you to be right about something, jojo. But, like my wait for your race against Greg Hall and my wait to see you pay off your $1000 wager that MU will be in the Big 10, I suspect I will be waiting quite awhile.
HoneyBaked
Gavin, we (I) have already determined that jojo is a retard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoendYt_ZJ0
Rick
OMK do you know what show Soren was talking about???
The Independent Rage
“I think Colorado looks like
smartman
The appropriate historical comparison should be what Adolf Hitler told Neville Chamberlain.
MU should change their fight song to “You’re Nobody Till Somebody Loves You”
Jojo, what kind I say, your calls on MU to the Big 10 were like pedophilia and necrophilia, WRONG-WRONG-WRONG
tony
JoJo its funny that you think MU is important enough to shake things up in the future. As if they were significant enough to do that. They are fucking pathetic. They’ve never won a significant national title in anything at all, never set foot in a final four game in basketball, and never even won a big 12 championship in football. Fuck those sorry ass losers. Jokes on them for trying to break up the league. Why would they think the big east would want them anyway?
jojo
folks ./….don’t hold your breath…it
ain’t over…
and as far as being on top of stories..
who in octrober started talking about lew
the conman…and how it would hurt the
ku…and how alumni were pissed off at their
treatement…it was jojo..and how eventually
the university would get in trouble fror it..
and who the fuck was right…jojo
not kk/soren/hall/jopo/porkchop/
JOJO…JOJO…JOJO….JOJO…JOJO….JOJO…
GIVE MECREDIT WHEN IT’S DUE…
I WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UP TO MINUTE
REPORTS ON THE CONTINUING SAGA OF
‘the night the lights went out in the big `12″
also..;who prdicted the big mu wins…the
basketball upsets…jojo…
I have not personally insurlted you or the
other posters….i have stood steadfast in
my positions….never attacking gaving or
stevo or the other people on here.
I respect your opinion and its wrong most of
the time….
we will go over those incorrect points soon
by each of you over the last 2 weeks…you
all have made some huge mistakes…bigger than
any you claim i made….we will see who i
s better at analyzing these matters…
I will be right in the end………………..
Cliffy
If Mizzou joined the SEC, at least they wouldn’t call us slavers.
Jayhawk Fan
omg, you guys are a funny bunch. Do you read your own posts?
I imagine a box of puppies, siiting in a corner and you all barking at each other … written out in posts. It is really quite amusing, thx : )
I still am not sure what the heck was going on, but they sure are talk about a lot of money, tens of millions of dollars. Do they understand there are people on the paying end of that money? and talking like this may not be the smartest thing?
Those networks are fierce negotiators too, and “someone” may be counting chickens before they are even eggs.
I must say that I was also greatly amused at the powers guy from Texas talking about how he was loyal to the Big12, is he kidding?
This is all very amusing, but only because it seems settled, and for that I am glad, but it is a fact that this greed will raise its head again becasue of the amount of dollars involved.
Lets hope that someone smart
(and as much as I am still pissed that he tried to steal my coach in mid march madness )
like T. Boone Pickens sets up a iron clad deal where this is all resolved behind closed doors, and not on TV. I respect T. Boone, and I found his video interview honest and funny as heck ….. his sideways jabs at MU at fking hilarious.
In the end this all proved that those azzclowns at espn are nothing but hen house gossip mongers, clucking at every rumor. I have zero repsect for espn at this point, they are a joke.
anyway … I am not really addressing anyone here, and i am awsre that this is TL/DR ….I just wanted to sound off on how I am glad this round of BS is over ( for now ) and also mentionhow funny you are as you bark at each other : )
Cliffy
You contributed your fair share of barking, Jayhawk Fan. Don’t act so uppity.
Gavin
jojo, how old are you? I ask because I may have been giving you a hard time about being such an idiot. I think now that maybe you were born sometime around 2003. Because that’s when Lew took over the job and that was almost exactly the same time people started bitching about Lew Perkins. If you were born in 2003, then the fact that Lew pissed off a lot of people would actually have been news to you in 2009. I’m actually a KU fan, jojo, so I can tell you this accurately. You didn’t break anything when you said people didn’t like Lew. Lew Perkins has ALWAYS had enemies at KU. He was tolerated because KU was winning and making money. But for you to say that you were exposing “Lew the Conman” in October is like me saying “George W. Bush is unpopular with liberals.”
And your claim that you knew the University would get in trouble for Lew’s treatment of boosters would be a bit more credible if you ever had even an inkling of what was going to do the damage to Lew. Again, imagine if I said, in October, “George W. Bush is unpopular iwth liberals and it will lead to the election of Barack Obama.” Wow, I’m way out on a limb there, aren’t I?
Sean (jojo is my bitch now)
Hey JOJO way to ignore the post about the $1000 bet with ME. I am sorry 10 am will not work tomorrow 9:30 works better. Remember Country club bank on the Plaza. I will be holding a sign that says JOJO’s a bitch!
See you there.
Greg Gagne
Rick Says: OMK do you know what show Soren was talking about???
Kissel beat you up worst then I did King Kong Brody at Wrestlerock
86. As I told Brody, “Go back to the back and lick you’re wounds.”
I
nick
Greg, as a lifelong Jayhawk fan, I remember rooting for Nebraska MANY years when my team sucked and had no hope. Nebraska was my adopted school during football season. It was cool to root for close a geographic team that was led by someone as classy and great as Tom Osborne.
But that’s over. Screw the Huskers. I hope the Longhorns TROUNCE Pelini and his above-average squad.
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GH: Fair enough, nick. That game in Lincoln on October 18th with Bevo’s Best might be one helluva party — no matter who wins it. And I’ll bet the Huskers and Horns go their separate ways with class once it’s over.
Rick
Sorry Greg apparently you didn’t read the results. OMK LOST THE LOSER LEAVES TOWN Match and has not been heard from since. Well unless you count all the masked names he’s posting under now. Also Greg Gagne only got by because he was the owners son. Brody would of killed him.
Speaking of lickin…about K.K. and that girl, or intern, or Kissel…..
Can’t say
Didn’t greg gagne use to play for the Royals?
What did K.K.’s wife say after a night of physical contact? “Keitzman seems to be lacking”
jojo
BREAKING NEWS…..JUST IN…
UNIVERSITY OF MISSOURI OFFICIALS ARE HOLDING
PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF
4 BIG 10 SCHOOLS. INCLUDED ARE REPRESENTATIVES
FROM ILLINOIS/INDIANA/PURDUE AND OHIO STATE.
AFTER A MISCOMMUNICATION BETWEEN MISSOURI
OFFICIALS AND THE HEAD OF THE BIG 10
MISSOURI REQUESTED A PRIVATE MEETING THAT WAS
SET UP WITH TOP ADMINSTRATION OFFICIALS FROM
THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS.
THESE TALKS HAVE BEEN HELD IN CHICAGO
AND BEGAN WITH SOME PHONE CONVERSATIONS
ON MONDAY MORNING.
This is being reported on Mizzou Power site…
breaking…
ITS NOT OVER!
John
I’m convinced that Rick, Can’t say and Last Word are the same person. After getting his butt handed to him by Kissel, Rick waits until Tuesday to post anything on here. Yet calls out Kissel for hideing. Then all of a sudden Rick and Can’t say have posted back to back on three diffrent OTC Columns.
Just admit it guys, you lost….
MoCrash
Smartman, I thought of Hitler and Chamberlain when I came across GH’s trust analogy, but I think Greg is talking about something different. Chamberlain trusted Hitler, which was his problem since Hitler was untrustworthy — and invaded the Sudetenland following the Munich accord anyway. The situation in the Big 12 is that nobody really trusts each other, nor should they, even though they may be (temporary) allies — as Churchill didn’t trust Stalin, even as the Red Army bore down on Berlin from the East. Within a couple of years, what Churchill called during his Fulton, Mo., speech that an Iron Curtain had descended — and it’s hardly inconceivable that Big UT and the satellite states (the Little IX) will experience a similar cold war.
Historical parallels aside, Missouri was well within its rights to seek more equitable distribution of Big 12 revenue, recognizing that it was going to be ignored — or lambasted — and interested in a better deal. The problem for Mizzou was that when the Big 10 tested the waters, MU plunged in fully clothed and nearly drowned itself.
Alden’s been a good rainmaker for Missouri, but he’s not politically adroit.
Rainbow Man
Greg– Please bring more T Boone Pickens quotes to this site, even when this conference thing blows over. I love it when billionaires speak their mind. T. Boone is ticked. He is ticked at Missouri and Nebraska for starting this mess. The Big 12 needs friends like T. Boone.
Face it people.. KC, OKC, Dallas, Austin, St. Louis, and Houston have a TON of grads from these schools and they want this conference to stay together.
Brent
“some grudging respect for their years of service”
Want some respect? Okay, don’t let the door hit your a$$ on the way out you Nubs. May you show the same mediocrity in your new conference that you showed the Big 12. Shut down the basketball and other sports Nub fans don’t care a lick about and perhaps your football team will move up a little too. Or not.
Not sure Nebraska deserves any more respect than Colorado – which is none. Bye now.
Kamala Says
belly tap
jojo
according to kc star this morning (yes…the
local paper people turn to for real news)…
had the texas and oklahoma teams gone to pac
10….big 10 would have added missouri immediatetly along with other schools.
Article said that had texas and other schools
bolted the big 12…big 10 would have had to
expand…and missouri would have been back
in the running for trhe big 12.
This is just temporary…mu will be trying to
get out of big 12 but on a more low key
arrangement..
and once they actually leave KAPOW!
Cliffy
Concerning MoCrash’s comments about Alden. He has done a great job raising money and tirelessly promoting MU athletics. When you say he is not “pollitically adroit” — dead on correct. In other words, when it comes to hardball negotiations, he’s out of his league.
Forsee and Deaton didn’t instill a lot of confidence in me yesterday either.
This big sigh of relief in the old Big 12 North puzzles me. I don’t think this is a done deal by any stretch. KSU and ISU are praying to God Texas stays while MU and KU are are scanning the horizon for any possible options.
Rick
John I’m convinced your on crack. And obviously if your theory was right that I’m like 12 people then I’ve been posting all along right? But for the record I was not near a computer Sun or Mon. Returned to work Tuesday. Thanks for your concern Kissel…ahh…I mean john.
Rick
And John I see Mocrash posted a few minutes after you. Does that mean you two are one in the same? Wow. How do you come up with your logic? No one has ever accused you of being a rocket scientist have they Columbo?
Rick
Also John I checked (What a revolutionary concept-to check your facts before opening your mouth) me and Can’t Say only appeared on two columns together. You sure you aren’t Kevin Keitzman? Seems you got lying down.
Also counting is not your forte. If you counted you would of saw the votes were in and I clearly won by the majority. But if you need me to spell it out for you let me know.
As I’ve already said John-It’s ok to be wrong. And when are you going to hear from Kissel again?
Rick
Rick as Kissel ANOTHER MELT DOWN and rhetorical responses. Duh 810 beats 610 again.
Rick
Rick as John “Let me get my pocket protector out and calculate this.” “Rick posted five minutes after Rick so that must mean Rick is Rick” “Eureka I’ve discovered the truth.” “I knew watching those Mall Security Cop movie’s would be beneficial to me.” “Off to Toy’s R Us to buy me a cap gun and badge.” “Yipee” “I’ll see if Old Man Kissel wants to play with me.” “Whopeee”
Cliffy
GH: And I
MrOlathe
Every MU fan that I have read or talked to is pissed/embarrassed about the way this was handled…..except one. They all now realize that an invite never was extended. Now, an invite may be extended down the road, or maybe never. But there is one person who acts like the Big 10 is begging MU to come. Still. Weird.
Can’t Say
Me and rick can’t be the same. I would take no pleasure in beating up a senior citizen. Though my inside info tells me he’s actually an 810 intern. And thats why we haven’t heard from him as management has told him to stop. Of course I could also just be baiting him. Hee hee
Ptolemy
[Since they’ll probably delete my comment in the MM column, I thought I’d bury it here where the nimrods are less likely to see it.]
Jeezus! Marilyn Maye? Why not a Mike Murphy Squirrel Manor update?
You should just dispense with all the drivel and rename this site,
Can’t Say
Concur Ptolemy. Very funny
Can’t Say
Does Gagne realize that double and rumble don’t rhyme?
Jayhawk Fan
woof woof …BARK BARK ….
HOWL HOWL …… NIP NIP,
growwwwl grrrrrrrrrllll gruff gruff gruff ….
as jojo chases his tail
; )
Old Man Kissel
John its time to get real. Let’s stop pretending. Rick beat me the way Chris Brown beat Rhianna.
Turd McDurgle
“That Brady Morningsleeves is one helluva player for these KU Jayhawks…” – Bob Knight