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ShawnF
The most popular guy on a football team is the Backup QB…and the most popular coach on your team is one that you won with “X” Years ago.
How does Norv take a 14-2 team and turn it into a mediocre team? Simple: Norv is a lot like Gunther: good coordinator, not a good head coach.
Norv had 3 HOF skill position players and a HOF O-Line in Dallas when he was hailed “a genius”, but he has inherited talent (re: Dave Wannestadt) and can’t do anything with it.
Wade Phillips and Norv Turner should take a page from Fritz Schurmur: stay coordinators, do what you are good at, and no that you aren’t a HC.
JS
Marty Schottenheimer is a good/great coach. Herm and Norv are just pretenders in regards to coaching. They can take someone elses players and do okay with them but building something special is way out of their abilities. I miss Marty and hated when he left. His worst years are Norv and Herm’s best years.
I think we now know who between Carl and Marty was the brains of the operation. Once Marty left Carl could never duplicate the success and the team generally fell apart.
nick
Marty S. is one of the best coaches ever despite his playoff failures.
I sometimes wonder, had Byner not fumbled, and Cleveland beat Denver, if Marty would have rolled off a string of AFC Championships and/or Super Bowls. He just seemed cursed, whether it was Elliot missing 3 field goals, Lake Dawson dropping an endzone pass, Ted Popson not getting his ass out of bounds…..I feel bad for Marty.
Count Washington as another team sorry to let Marty go.
Gavin
Regarding Marty and his defining moment(s):
1) Lin Elliot. It wasn’t as if Lin had been tearing up the league and just picked the worst possible moment to have a bad game. He’d been sucking all along and Marty stubbornly clung to him like a baby bonobo clings to its mother. Every week Marty was asked about his kicking game and every week he made it clear that he wasn’t going to change a thing. And then Elliot misseed and missed and missed again.
2) Rich Gannon for Elvis Grbac. Marty’s stubborn refusal to recognize that an injured guy COULD lose his job because of injury led to his benching Gannon, who had been playing with the hot hand for weeks, in favor of Grbac who just plain sucked.
nick
Marty surely deserves some criticism for not ever getting to the Super Bowl. His conservative style, though GREAT for a regular season, didn’t always work in a do-or-die playoff game.
But a coach should be able to count on ANY kicker to make 1 of 3 field goals. OR….in the same again….for his players to not turn the ball over FOUR times. It’s VERY hard for me to blame Marty for that 10-7 loss.
The Gannon/Grbac decision was debatable to be sure. But many forget how well Grbac played in that game. Marty can be blamed for being too conservative in the 1st half….Marty tried to run the ball, probably thinking the highly-regarded Chiefs defense would keep Denver off the scoreboard. Not a bad plan actually. In the 2nd half, the Chiefs opened up their offense against Denver’s suspect secondary, and Grbac ended up 27 for 34 for 260 yards and 0 turnovers. The final drive was horrendous for Chiefs fans, but again, is Marty to blame? Popson could have killed the clock and gotten out of bounds. The Chiefs were desperately trying to get in a play to Grbac to throw short to get a first down, but the time was dwindling and Grbac had to call his own play. He almost connected.
Another playoff loss, to the Bills, came after Joe Montana got hurt and left the game early.
Imagine where the Chiefs organization might be right now without Marty. Scary!
Gavin
Nick,
Youre right about everything. Marty was a godsend to us Chiefs fans and I think we were lucky to have him. I just think that, maybe unfairly, Marty will be remembered not as much for all those wins and that great defense but for his steadfast decision to keep Lin Elliott. As I said before, it’s not as if Elliott had been any good prior to that loss to Indy because if he just had a bad game, it would be understandable. But my recollection is that Marty took heat for Elliot every week and never budged from his position. That arrogance, while serving Marty so well in so many other ways, was his downfall in that one game.
As for Gannon/Grbac, it is debatable, but if you look at the arcs taken by each QB after they left here, it sure looks, in retrospect, as if Marty picked the wrong dude.
MandDshagger
At least when you’ve got a crap team in San Diego you can go to the beach or head to Mexico for some $10.00 BOOM BOOM POW or cheap drugs. Marty Schottenheimer is a great coach. He gets the blame for all the close calls but that’s a bad rap on the guy. Like Jim Kelly and the Bills. Life ain’t fair sometimes. There are lot’s of coaches that would trade places with Marty. I think he’d make a great college coach. Why go through the grief? He’s had a good run, cash in the bank, doin’ some analyst work. Good for him. Maybe he gets to live vicariously though his son. Norv is a different story. He may be cursed but he also makes really bad in game decisions. He’ll be gone after this season unless he pulls a rabbit out of the hat but will still have a job next season as a head coach or coordinator somewhere.
renton
The Chiefs will (hopefully) be hiring an OC after the season’s over. Maybe Norv can come here in that capacity.
nick
Marty was stubborn. No doubt. But stubbornness is probably a lot of why he was successful…he stuck to his plan.
It makes me respect guys like B. Belichek and Jimmy Johnson. Those guys were/are stubborn also and stuck to thier guns, but seem to know when they need to spice things up.
Yeah, Gannon was a better choice for the long-term.
John Buckshot
Gavin, may we please see your source card?
Uncle Dick
Marty should have done his drinking at Smuggler’s Inn. The old hosebags there aren’t young enough to have a baby.
I’ve always been curious, did the baby mama name the kid Tanner?
MandDshagger
C’mon Uncle Dick, back in the Martyball heyday there were some HOT chicks at Smugglers.
ShawnF
Hot chicks at Smugglers? Only because you could order cheap doubles during Happy Hour.
Uncle Dick
Enough whiskey and they all look hot,then when you wake up in the morning, they look like Mrs. Funky or Darla J.
smartman
Wow Uncle Dick you really think it’s possible to drink enough booze to make Darla Jaye look shaggable without getting alcohol poisoning? I’ve been giving some thought to the afterlife and karma. Hell for me would be an eternal menage a tois with Darla and Mrs. Funky.
Uncle Dick
I don’t know, smartman, but after reading your post, I’m damn sure gonna quit drinking. As far as hell, that fate would be reserved for only the most heinous villians of our eathly world, Hitler, Mao, Clay Chastain…..
Biff
Bad trade-offs include network news: Tom Browkaw for Brian Williams….Dan Rather for Katie Couric….the late Peter Jennings for Bob Woodruff (tragically injured), Elizabeth Varges, and Charlie Gibson….the late “Meet The Press” host Tim Russert for Tom Browkaw for David Gregory…..not one of these shows is as strong as it was before….
Biff
Two coaching turnovers involved Bill Callahan: Oakland Raiders – Jon Gruden to Callahan….Nebraska football – Tom Osborne to Frank Solich to Bill Callahan….I think we have all learned our lesson on Callahan….