OTC: How Good Is Mangino? / Snyder Says Tweets Sweet
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Gavin
Stop the presses! A football coach is a jerk?! Not that being a jerk is a job requirement or anything, but all the people who bitch about Mangino’s arrogance act as if they never heard of Bear Bryant or Steve Spurrier or any other coach who believes he is Lord of All He Surveys. Hell, even Glen Mason, a relative success at KU, was a first class douchebag. Word is that he’s gotten no better despite his ignominious dismissal.
As for Snyder not forbidding Twitter accounts and Facebook pages for his players, I’m sure that is technically true. But I’m equally sure that his player’s feeds are routinely monitored by a staff member and that anything the least bit close to questionable comes down almost immediately. Just like KU should have done with Tyshawn Taylor.
butter
Greg has it right when he says that Mangino needs to trim down in order to have a successful future. For somebody with such a high profile I always wondered why he let it get to that point.
smartman
You’ve got to be kidding me! Mangino isn’t even one of the ten, some might say twenty best active coaches! He’s got A LOT to prove before he becomes legendary for something other than size and socio-emotional immaturity. His apparent lack of concern for his health is just another big window into his psyche. You’d think the Nutri System guys would be pounding down his door.
mrolathe
I would say MM is at least one of the top 25 coaches in the college game right now, all things considered. You look at what he’s done with what he had to work with, horrible facilities, lack of support, a program that Terry Allen set back years, limited fan support, bad players, at a basketball school, you gotta give him that. He really was the perfect guy for the job, not unlike Snyder when he got to KSU.
jojo
wrong. mangino will be judged after these good
players leave. He’s got a decent group but after
last years fiasco he isn’t in the top 50 coaches.
ONe year doesn’t make a career. 3 years doesnt
make a career. If they have just 2 losses thats
expected in this historic year (as the ads say).
But more than 2 loses and mangino is no better
than a andm or ok state.
The true test comes after his good players leave. Probably none get drafted this year
but can he reload his team to top 25 status.
For pinkel this is his “career” year. He lost
major players to the nfl and graduation. He lost
2 great draft picks…his starting qb…kicker
and almost his entire starting team. If he can
have just 2 or 3 losses this year he’s got to
be considered one of the top 10 coaches in the
country. Losing so many players then coming back to a possible top 15 ranking would make this his best coaching year ever.
For mangino…its wait and see. ONe year doesnt make his “great”. This is typical of the know nothing radio guys in kc.
Now how about that nu/mu game…wow….
Collective Noses
I’m a Mizzou grad and obvious huge fan of the Tigers. I would have no problems putting Mangino as one of the top 10 college D1 football coaches in America. He schemes and prepares his team to win football games and has his team in a position to compete for a big 12 championship game this year. Anybody remember the Orange bowl a few years back? They owned Virginia Tech. Frank Beamer looked absolutely helpless during that game.
I just threw up in my own mouth…enough KU praise today 🙂
Collective Noses
Greg – your comment about KK was spot on regarding when others criticize it’s all of the sudden negative. I had the same thought when I heard it yesterday. I can only handle sports radio, in particular KK’s show, in small doses because it is generally laced in negativism and any differing opinion is somehow inferior. I’m not intending to bash 810 as a whole, as I do enjoy Border Patrol in the morning, and while I don’t get to listen very often, Petro’s show is usually entertaining.
Ptolemy
It is no coincidence that Mangino and Pinkel’s fortunes rose when Nebraska, Kansas State, and Colorado’s programs changed coaches. Both those guys were on the verge of being fired when Snyder retired. Let them win a Big 12 Championship, and NU, CU, and KSU has, and we can start talk about top 10 coach rankings for something other than rank stupidity (Pinkel) and circumference.
John Buckshot
Run, Gavin, run!
Stick to spelling.
Collective Noses
Ptolemy – It’s a comments section, I get it. Everyone has an opinion good, bad or indifferent. However, if we’re going to use facts to back up opinions can we at least try and make them a little accurate?
Snyder was 4-7 and 5-6 in 2004 and 2005 respectively before retiring. Both MU and KU went to bowl games in 2005 (KU winning the Fort Worth bowl and MU winning the Independence bowl). Which coach again was on the verge of being fired? Oh, and some how both the KU and MU program are penalized because the other teams in the North weren’t performing (arguable for Nebraska).
K-State will be fine. They have an uphill battle but so do most programs that have to start over. If Snyder did it once, I believe he can do it again. There’s no reason to belittle the success of other teams in the north in the meantime.
Uncle Dick
Too late for a Nutri System endorsement contract for Mangino, and besides, they don’t shoot their commercials in an IMAX format. Maybe he could be the spokesman for Jimmy Dean Pure Pork Sausage.
mrolathe
PT…I have many times compared MM to Snyder, and I do so as a compliment. It’s obvious that MM has followed the same plan for building the program. Do you think Snyder would have been as successful if KU, MU, & ISU were trying (they weren’t)? Or if OU wasn’t hitting their lowpoint? So at some point in time you’ll have to give MM & KU some credit. They are doing this in football while still maintaining one of the 5 best (and probably top 2) basketball programs in the country. Care to disagree?
JS
Being a KU fan I am happy with Mark Mangino as coach. I think he has helped stabalize the program. Even in the first couple of years we weren’t getting blown out of games like we used to in the 70’s and 80’s. Now there is even hope that we can sneak a win against Texas or Oklahoma. I appreciate the work he has done and with Lew getting the facilities into better shape there might be long term possibilities with or without Mangino.
MandDshagger
Uncle Dick, funny motherfucker! Really, Mangino a Top 25 coach! That’s a stretch that’s busting at the seams. He’s good, but to be a Top 25’er you gotta have some REAL history with results that include some Conference Championships and Big Time BCS Bowl Wins. His day may come but it ain’t today.
nick
Lew Perkins is a winner. And the fact he’s befriended and stuck with Mangino says a LOT for what Perkins thinks of Mangino’s coaching ability.
I’m hoping Lew talks his friend (I hear they’re very close) into dropping some pounds to solidify Mangino’s AND KU football’s future.
Saying all this, I wonder sometimes who Lew Perkins would bring in as a head coach should Mangino get into any kind of health issue. K-State and Missouri fans may get giddy at the thought of Mangino leaving the school for another job or health issues, but be careful what you wish for. If Perkins is able to select KU’s next coach…whatever year that may be…I’m guessing there will be ZERO drop-off in KU football.
mrolathe
Shag…did you think Snyder was a top 25 coach b4 he won in 2003? And the Orange bowl is a BCS bowl last I checked. And Va Tech was #3 at the time so it’s not like KU was paying some chump.
Ross
Mangino’s weight issue is both good and bad for KU. While it’s an image, and possible recruiting, issue, it keeps other schools from trying to lure him away from Lawrence. If he were in decent shape, I think his success would have already garnered offers from more traditional BCS football programs.
Hungry
MANGINO IS NOT FAT!!!! he is big boned.
ah bs, who I am kidding?? he is
fatty fatty 2by4 couldnt get through my bathroom door.
I wonder how he tells players they are too fat and to get in shape?
Saddly the human heart can not handle that much weight, but I will not tell him or judge him.
I think he invented the concept of the offense goes to the line, QB under center …. AND STOP ….. everyone stands up looks back at the coach ,,,,, calls an audible, and away they go … we are seeing more of this now.
MY COACH IS PHAT!!!
ROCK CHALK JAYHAWKS RULE!!!!
petomane
Ptolemy,
KSU, NU, and CU do not control the programs of KU and MU in any way.
Mangino and Pinkel became good coaches when they got under-sized Texas quarterbacks that could make things happen.
Pinkel needs to hire Gary Barnett as his gameday coach and perhaps recruiting event organizer.
JimmyD
Who goes first in the deadpool? Mangino or Joe Paterno?
OlatheCat
“I like the Cyclones by 14.” Good call, Greg.